The Death of Windows 10

[TonyJZX]

here's a thing that shows you've been 'out of the biz' for a while

i used to sit all day on nt4, server 2000, 2003, 2008/12r2 and of course all the giblets that came along with it inc. Terminal Server, IIS, etc.

now its gone 16/19/22

i'm so bored i might run 22 at home and see what the go is now

cant be that bad can it?

 

[pseudoid]

....all the giblets that came along with it ...
cant be that bad can it?

I don't know; you lost me before the end of your 2nd sentence.
What do Cornish Game Hens got to do with Windows' varieties?

 

[pseudoid]

Since most of us have grown up with Microsoft being part of that process, and
Since we can partially blame Microsoft as the original instigator of 'password' mandates, and
Since there really is no other proper thread to insert this PSA into...
Here it is:

The Scale of RockYou2024

• The sheer volume of compromised passwords is enough to make any security enthusiast’s head spin.
• RockYou2024 isn’t just a leak; it’s a behemoth collection of 9,948,575,739 passwords that could potentially affect millions of users worldwide.

Make what you wish of it!
You may even be able check your own password-algo against this huge database.
RockYou2024 is an update to its predecessor (RockYou2021) database of 8.1Billion unique passwords, which most peeps had never heard of, to begin with.
Have I Been Pwned free tool was/is like a topical ointment, where you entered your email address and it told you if that account had been compromised.
[2FA is just another pawn move; imo]

 

[Berwhale]

Since most of us have grown up with Microsoft being part of that process, and
Since we can partially blame Microsoft as the original instigator of 'password' mandates, and
Since there really is no other proper thread to insert this PSA into...
Here it is:

Make what you wish of it!
You may even be able check your own password-algo against this huge database.
RockYou2024 is an update to its predecessor (RockYou2021) database of 8.1Billion unique passwords, which most peeps had never heard of, to begin with.
Have I Been Pwned free tool was/is like a topical ointment, where you entered your email address and it told you if that account had been compromised.
[2FA is just another pawn move; imo]

This is just a list of passwords, not a full set of creds, so it can only be used for brute force attacks (i.e. trying each password one after the other). Most systems have protection against brute force attacks (limiting the number of failed attempts, throttling retries, etc.).

It's not useless, because it contains actual passwords. This is probably better than brute forcing with random strings of characters and may be useful when combined with other data.

Malwarebytes sums it up pretty well...

To cut a long story short, if you don’t reuse passwords and never use “simple” passwords, like single words, then this release should not concern you. If you use multi-factor authentication (MFA), and you should everywhere you can, there’s also no reason to worry about this.

'RockYou2024': Nearly 10 billion passwords leaked online | Malwarebytes

A list, known as RockYou2024, of almost 10 billion passwords has been released on a hacking forum. What are the dangers?

www.malwarebytes.com

 

[Blumlein 88]

Have I been Pawned also have a password checker.

Have I Been Pwned: Pwned Passwords

Have I Been Pwned allows you to search across multiple data breaches to see if your email address or phone number has been compromised.

haveibeenpwned.com

 

[mhardy6647]

passwords...
shamelessly copped from @Bleib via

A Call For Humor!

www.audiosciencereview.com

 

[Berwhale]

passwords...
shamelessly copped from @Bleib via

A Call For Humor!

www.audiosciencereview.com

View attachment 380503

Line 18896 in rockyou.txt...

There's a nice selection of audiophile passwords in there as well. e.g.

Line 24346: polkaudio
Line 88039: polkaudio1
Line 1020503: audiophile
Line 1384661: polkaudio2
Line 1384662: polkaudio0
Line 1674303: jetaudio

 

[mhardy6647]

Line 18896 in rockyou.txt...

View attachment 380507

yowza!

 

[pablolie]

Yesterday, I upgraded my "unsupported" Win10 home workstation to Windows 11. It's really a non-event. And you can get -legit!- Win 11 Pro licenses for $39 or so if you look around.

I followed the first procedure here: https://www.zdnet.com/article/how-t...ible-windows-10-pc-to-windows-11-two-options/

The unsupported CPU in my home workstation is 3x as powerful as my current work-issued laptop, which supports Win11, so the MSFT call on what's supported or not is utterly idiotic, but hey. My workstation supports TPM 2.0, so at least it's aligned there (I think most post 2015 computers support some at least TPM 1.2 anyhow). (Correction: TPM 2.0 became standard in new PCs in 2016. And I think Win11 is happy with 1.2, which has been around forever).

The process will also give you a MSFT nastygram pop-up claiming you are "not entitled to any Win11 upgrades" with an unsupported CPU. Just as the article above says, ignore that BS with confidence. After I installed Win11, it automatically downloaded all the latest Win11 updates. It's legalese - "not entitled" in no way means "you will not receive". And anyone that thinks they need official Microsoft support clearly has never been in contact with their support team. :-D

And yes, I use Ubuntu Linux a lot, but Powerpoint/Word/Excel are the universal corporate lingua franca, and while you can run the web-based Office365 suite on any Linux machine, it is limited. And I also hate several of the usability aspects of Win11, but I'd rather harmonize across my computer base and stop using Win10 without waiting for "Doomsday".

 

[Berwhale]

My old PC, which my son now uses, is 7 years old and had a Ryzen 7 1700X (8 cores, 16 threads) in it which is 'unsupported' under Windows 11. This is a bit of a joke because I ran Windows 11 on it from the very first public beta (i'm part of the Windows Insider Program).

I upgraded the graphics card in my own PC to a RX 7800 XT last month and moved the RX 6700 XT which I had been using into my son's PC. The GFX card also required a PSU upgrade as it draws a fair bit more power than the GTX 1060 that was in there before. Whilst I was 'at it', I decided to put a new CPU in the PC as well. I picked up a Ryzen 5 5600 for £70 ($90) from AliExpress. The new CPU is only 6 cores, with 12 threads, but it's 2 generations newer, the cores are faster and more efficient, so overall performance is about 30% better than the old CPU, it also draws less power.

So my son now has a PC which is capable of playing modern games at 2K resolution and reasonable quality settings, which, FWIW, is fully supported by Windows 11. I think is a pretty solid upgrade for a 7 year old PC

Also, the RX 7800 XT, 650W PSU and Ryzen 5 5600 cost me less than £500 ($630), so i'm happy, he's happy and so is my wallet

Note: If you're going to swap CPUs on a 'modern' Windows PC, first check if you've encrypted your hard drive with Bitlocker and export the keys first. Modern CPUs include the TPM where the keys are held (known as Intel PTT or AMD fTPM), so if you swap the CPU, you loose the keys and the PC will not boot. This is not the end of the world, because you get a warning when the PC boots and are given the chance to put the old CPU (with it's TPM) back in the PC. You can then boot, export keys and import them when you have the new chip installed again.

 

[MRC01]

... And yes, I use Ubuntu Linux a lot, but Powerpoint/Word/Excel are the universal corporate lingua franca, and while you can run the web-based Office365 suite on any Linux machine, it is limited. And I also hate several of the usability aspects of Win11, but I'd rather harmonize across my computer base and stop using Win10 without waiting for "Doomsday".

I find that LibreOffice is equivalent to MS Office apps, and also reads & writes their formats. For Word and Excel, anyway. For Powerpoint, MS Office is still way better.

 

[Blumlein 88]

I find that LibreOffice is equivalent to MS Office apps, and also reads & writes their formats. For Word and Excel, anyway. For Powerpoint, MS Office is still way better.

I've avoided MS Office for a dozen years now and been able to get along fine. Things are better than before, but no you will still run into just enough friction using LibreOffice that for a business and such it is a no go. Only if your business uses Libreoffice only will it work.

 

[Sal1950]

I've avoided MS Office for a dozen years now and been able to get along fine. Things are better than before, but no you will still run into just enough friction using LibreOffice that for a business and such it is a no go. Only if your business uses Libreoffice only will it work.

The owner at my last gig got tired of paying the ridiculous licensing fees for MS Office and just switched the whole place to OpenOffice.
We never had a problem with intercorporate files etc.

 

[dualazmak]

Yesterday, I upgraded my "unsupported" Win10 home workstation to Windows 11. It's really a non-event. And you can get -legit!- Win 11 Pro licenses for $39 or so if you look around.

Congratulations!

I too easily and successfully upgraded from Windows 10 Pro 64 to Windows 11 64 in October 2021 using the method I shared here.

I actually upgraded "officially unsupported" nine (9) of my Windows PCs to Windows 11 Pro successfully (you can see the details of these 9 PCs in my post here), including a really outdated PC of Intel Core2Quad 9500 CPU on Asus P5Q Deluxe motherboard (no TPM) and small Intel NUC-PC with Intel Core i5-4250U CPU (with no graphic board). All of them are working just fine, of course having successful periodical Windows Updates.

 

[Galliardist]

My old PC, which my son now uses, is 7 years old and had a Ryzen 7 1700X (8 cores, 16 threads) in it which is 'unsupported' under Windows 11. This is a bit of a joke because I ran Windows 11 on it from the very first public beta (i'm part of the Windows Insider Program).

I upgraded the graphics card in my own PC to a RX 7800 XT last month and moved the RX 6700 XT which I had been using into my son's PC. The GFX card also required a PSU upgrade as it draws a fair bit more power than the GTX 1060 that was in there before. Whilst I was 'at it', I decided to put a new CPU in the PC as well. I picked up a Ryzen 5 5600 for £70 ($90) from AliExpress. The new CPU is only 6 cores, with 12 threads, but it's 2 generations newer, the cores are faster and more efficient, so overall performance is about 30% better than the old CPU, it also draws less power.

So my son now has a PC which is capable of playing modern games at 2K resolution and reasonable quality settings, which, FWIW, is fully supported by Windows 11. I think is a pretty solid upgrade for a 7 year old PC

Also, the RX 7800 XT, 650W PSU and Ryzen 5 5600 cost me less than £500 ($630), so i'm happy, he's happy and so is my wallet

Note: If you're going to swap CPUs on a 'modern' Windows PC, first check if you've encrypted your hard drive with Bitlocker and export the keys first. Modern CPUs include the TPM where the keys are held (known as Intel PTT or AMD fTPM), so if you swap the CPU, you loose the keys and the PC will not boot. This is not the end of the world, because you get a warning when the PC boots and are given the chance to put the old CPU (with it's TPM) back in the PC. You can then boot, export keys and import them when you have the new chip installed again.

To add to that, some machines have both the PTT/fTPM options and also traditional TPM2.0 on the system board, or maybe a pinout that a hardware TPM can be added to, and you can choose which to use.

If you have the choice in setup, always use the hardware TPM chip.

if you buy or use an older design AMD CPU computer with only fTPM beware, because there is a massive fault waiting for you if the BIOS on that machine doesn't have a very recent update with a fix for a "certificate" issue. Like my home PC doesn't.

 

[Doublej]

Congratulations!

I too easily and successfully upgraded from Windows 10 Pro 64 to Windows 11 64 in October 2021 using the method I shared here.

I actually upgraded "officially unsupported" nine (9) of my Windows PCs to Windows 11 Pro successfully (you can see the details of these 9 PCs in my post here), including a really outdated PC of Intel Core2Quad 9500 CPU on Asus P5Q Deluxe motherboard (no TPM) and small Intel NUC-PC with Intel Core i5-4250U CPU (with no graphic board). All of them are working just fine, of course having successful periodical Windows Updates.

Did they automatically update to Version 24H2 or did you have to do this manually on each machine?

 

[dualazmak]

Did they automatically update to Version 24H2 or did you have to do this manually on each machine?

Edit:
Updated to 24H2!
Please refer to my post #685;
Updating Windows 11 Pro (x64) 21H2 to 24H2 in "officially unsupported" PCs with preserving/keeping all the files, settings, applications


I have not yet updated to 24H2 since we know some issues associating with 24H2 and I am waiting for suitable/perfect fixes on it.

As for major updates on Windows 11, I always hate automatic update, but I prefer manual update only after I would be fully convinced everything should be OK learned through various web articles and discussions!

And, when I would decide to do major-update, I first carefully try it on my very much outdated PC, Intel Core2Quad 9500 CPU on Asus P5Q Deluxe motherboard (no TPM) having the registry has been modified as shared here (please carefully read the post!)

Spoiler

6. Edit the registry as follows (maybe, I did not need all of them, though);
[HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SYSTEM\Setup\MoSetup]
”AllowUpgradesWithUnsupportedTPMOrCPU"=dword:00000001
[HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SYSTEM\Setup\LabConfig]
"BypassTPMCheck"=dword:00000001
"BypassSecureBootCheck"=dword:00000001
"BypassRAMCheck"=dword:00000001
"BypassCPUCheck"=dword:00000001

 

[mhardy6647]

Yesterday, I upgraded my "unsupported" Win10 home workstation to Windows 11. It's really a non-event. And you can get -legit!- Win 11 Pro licenses for $39 or so if you look around.

I followed the first procedure here: https://www.zdnet.com/article/how-t...ible-windows-10-pc-to-windows-11-two-options/

The unsupported CPU in my home workstation is 3x as powerful as my current work-issued laptop, which supports Win11, so the MSFT call on what's supported or not is utterly idiotic, but hey. My workstation supports TPM 2.0, so at least it's aligned there (I think most post 2015 computers support some at least TPM 1.2 anyhow). (Correction: TPM 2.0 became standard in new PCs in 2016. And I think Win11 is happy with 1.2, which has been around forever).

The process will also give you a MSFT nastygram pop-up claiming you are "not entitled to any Win11 upgrades" with an unsupported CPU. Just as the article above says, ignore that BS with confidence. After I installed Win11, it automatically downloaded all the latest Win11 updates. It's legalese - "not entitled" in no way means "you will not receive". And anyone that thinks they need official Microsoft support clearly has never been in contact with their support team. :-D

And yes, I use Ubuntu Linux a lot, but Powerpoint/Word/Excel are the universal corporate lingua franca, and while you can run the web-based Office365 suite on any Linux machine, it is limited. And I also hate several of the usability aspects of Win11, but I'd rather harmonize across my computer base and stop using Win10 without waiting for "Doomsday".

Just bookmarked this post.
Maybe I won't have to give up this trusty ol' Lenovo lappie (or go Linux with it, more to the point) after all...

 

[pablolie]

I have not yet updated to 24H2 since we know some issues associating with 24H2 and I am waiting for suitable/perfect fixes on it.

As for major updates on Windows 11, I always hate automatic update, but I prefer manual update only after I would be fully convinced everything should be OK learned through various web articles and discussions!

I used to think the same way, but I have turned on automatic updates (notifications, I still have to approve install) because there's just so many vulnerabilities with Windows in general one can't keep up.

 

[boxerfan88]

Is it true that newer W11 releases won’t run on older CPU anymore because of the lack of certain CPU instruction sets? And there will be no workaround for it?

I have i7-6800k and holding back because of the above.