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The Death of Windows 10
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Blumlein 88
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Well I recently put Manjaro Linux on my old 2014 Macbook Pro. Apple no longer supported this hardware. I used Opencore Legacy Patcher for a time to load the latest MacOS onto it. But updates were an issue and it was slowed down by this. Now it works quite briskly. Better than it ever did with the older MacOS versions it was made to use. There were 4 gotchas putting linux on it, but having used linux for a long time it took me about a half hour to get it all straightened out. So now it is a nice piece of hardware that runs very well with an up to date safe OS.
I know Asashi linux is being developed for Apple M series CPU's. I read Linus Torvalds is using it. I do wonder what effect Windows switching to ARM will have on the various Linux distros. I know they'll work it out, but it might create a few years of issues along the way. That probably will keep linux an OS mostly for older hardware.
I have a newer laptop running Win 11, and don't have the complaints I read of from others. Overall I like it pretty well even though you have to tune it not to be annoying. My old Lenovo laptop will get the Linux treatment when Win10 is EOL next year. It is just a spare now, and likely my second choice spare since I put Manjaro on the old Macbook. It is all headed for a phone based world anyway.
I know Asashi linux is being developed for Apple M series CPU's. I read Linus Torvalds is using it. I do wonder what effect Windows switching to ARM will have on the various Linux distros. I know they'll work it out, but it might create a few years of issues along the way. That probably will keep linux an OS mostly for older hardware.
I have a newer laptop running Win 11, and don't have the complaints I read of from others. Overall I like it pretty well even though you have to tune it not to be annoying. My old Lenovo laptop will get the Linux treatment when Win10 is EOL next year. It is just a spare now, and likely my second choice spare since I put Manjaro on the old Macbook. It is all headed for a phone based world anyway.
True. And a path to reduction ... to whatever ...
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For those that only need the basics (eg web browser, email, and something like Google Docs), updating old Windows machines to Chrome OS Flex is a really good option. It is free and feels much faster than Windows on the same hardware. Plus, it is much easier to use and maintain than Linux (and I say that as someone with decades of experience on Unix systems).
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Install ChromeOS Flex: Fast, Secure OS for PCs & Macs
Transform your existing devices with ChromeOS Flex. Experience a cloud-first, secure operating system that modernizes your hardware for free.
The use and maintain of Linux is not to make it easy to everyone, but to be able to everyone to control (if desired, of course).For those that only need the basics (eg web browser, email, and something like Google Docs), updating old Windows machines to Chrome OS Flex is a really good option. It is free and feels much faster than Windows on the same hardware. Plus, it is much easier to use and maintain than Linux.
Install ChromeOS Flex: Fast, Secure OS for PCs & Macs
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Just wait until the audio component manufacturers start going to subscriptions for firmware updates and support...
MSFT is going to keep supporting Win10. Enterprises can buy extended support. And if you have an Office365 subscription, MSFT will keep supporting your trusted Win10 machine with security updates. I can live without all the other upgrades that MSFT keeps randomly throwing at users. How can 'NET be a "framework" if it needs huge updates with stunning regularity? But now none will be needed for Win10? Oh wait, because it's the same for Win10 and Win11? I truly wonder how different Win10 and Win11 are in their core, and whether this is just a move from MSFT to hugely monetize Win10 by basically making everybody buy licenses again and calling it "extended support".
End of Life (EOL) For Microsoft Windows 10 Home and Pro | Symetri.co.uk
Microsoft Windows 10 will reach end of support on 14th October 2025.www.symetri.co.uk
and so it ends
there's mass incongruity here
win10 now has 70% of the market
win11 has about 25% having fallen a little bit
and so how does Microsoft look at this mass 70% and not realise that win11 will probably have issues even getting to 50% unless there is some mass paradigm shift
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I love instilling old computers with new life, and Ubuntu (and other Linux OS) do that. An ancient Lenovo X60 (nearly 20 years old) runs my music system in my weekend cabin, and does so with snappy response (and is perfectly compatible with the newest Ubuntu 24.04, but I won't bother upgrading). And I am perfedtly happy using it for web browing and such tasks.
And I type this on my personal (not work) fav laptop - a 2015 edition Lenovo Thinkpad X250, also on Ubuntu 22.04 and running fast and strong. Touchscreen works beautifully. I'll keep using this for a long time - 16GB memory, i7 CPU, 500GB SDD... this thing flies and is one of the best-built computers I have ever owned. I also have a later gen X280 set up the same way, but still prefer this one.
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i least bit worried about any of that now
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nope don't care for that computer get a pet cat instead way better than rubbish windows bill gates rubbishGo for calm, look at Bodhi Linux ...
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I looked at this for a couple of really old devices still kicking around. These certainly were as powerful as devices used on basic Chromebooks. There is a list of devices or device types and those were not on the list. Plus the list indicated years other devices would be supported and most like Chromebooks themselves will not be supported by Chrome OS Flex after a certain date.For those that only need the basics (eg web browser, email, and something like Google Docs), updating old Windows machines to Chrome OS Flex is a really good option. It is free and feels much faster than Windows on the same hardware. Plus, it is much easier to use and maintain than Linux (and I say that as someone with decades of experience on Unix systems).
Install ChromeOS Flex: Fast, Secure OS for PCs & Macs
Transform your existing devices with ChromeOS Flex. Experience a cloud-first, secure operating system that modernizes your hardware for free.
Certified models list - ChromeOS Flex Help
Last updated on: April 21st, 2026To ensure a consistent and high-quality experience, Google individually certifies and maintains a list of models that you can use with ChromeOS Flex. Model status
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I've read many will continue to run the OS anyway, but didn't pursue the idea much further.
restorer-john
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So is the consensus in general to go for Linux? Ubuntu/Mint etc.
Who's using a newish Ubuntu and thinks it would be bulletproof enough for my aged parents? Dad is 91 and using W10 on PC and iPhone/ new iPad. Their main two PCs will drop off W10 support next year and I want to either wean them on to W11 or ?
I've got a few LM machines, but the maintenance/updates would be too much for my parents and a bit too convoluted. Fine for me, but Dad would not put up with it.
Who's using a newish Ubuntu and thinks it would be bulletproof enough for my aged parents? Dad is 91 and using W10 on PC and iPhone/ new iPad. Their main two PCs will drop off W10 support next year and I want to either wean them on to W11 or ?
I've got a few LM machines, but the maintenance/updates would be too much for my parents and a bit too convoluted. Fine for me, but Dad would not put up with it.
I don't know about any compatibility with the Apple phone or any of it's apps.
Otherwise I've got a computer in the library of our condo association clubhouse running PCLinuxOS, a rolling distro that
can continuously stay fully updated.. I just put a couple icons on the desktop to the normal browsers, Firefox, Chrome, etc; and all the
seniors come in using the browser of choice, etc without issue, never even knowing they're not in Windoz.
pseudoid
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I have not even bothered to really try-out that new Windows11 "Copilot" but it insists it is my "Everyday AI companion". Yeah, Okay! Maybe someday I'll use the EdgeBrowser and I may even ask my AI buddy companion a question...
My intel 13th gen i7, built in early-2023, seems to work unobtrusively 24/7 using Win11Pro as the local server of about 8 networked devices in the house, including NAS (movie/music server) and continuous H.265 POE vid-cam recording to HDD and a Dante network.
I am surprised people using Win11 still bash it. I wonder -- sometimes -- if the blame belongs with the WindowsOS, software, the hardware or the interconnect.
My intel 13th gen i7, built in early-2023, seems to work unobtrusively 24/7 using Win11Pro as the local server of about 8 networked devices in the house, including NAS (movie/music server) and continuous H.265 POE vid-cam recording to HDD and a Dante network.
I am surprised people using Win11 still bash it. I wonder -- sometimes -- if the blame belongs with the WindowsOS, software, the hardware or the interconnect.
restorer-john
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Thanks Sal, I'll have a look into that one. Really appreciate your input as I'd never even heard of it.
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I am surprised people using Win11 still bash it. I wonder -- sometimes -- if the blame belongs with the WindowsOS, software, the hardware or the interconnect.
The reason I'd bash it (I am using Windows 10) is because of how much space it takes up and how much RAM it uses. While they have done very little to improve it since XP (or thereabouts). And even if you can with some bother minimalise it, why bother when you can use Debian or something like that and run on about 1/8th or less of the RAM. When you open Chrome on lots of Linux distros/setups, it uses more RAM than the whole system.
I can't figure out why XP with some desktop environment features (window previews on hover, etc) and a thing telling me the weather should use about 3GB of RAM when nothing is open.
restorer-john
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It's actually quite fun to use. Not very clever, but it excels when you just talk to it and it talks back. (mic/spkr)
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I used to use PC Linux before switching to Mint and then Manjaro. I don't know that Manjaro is better than PCLOS. Manjaro is also a rolling release. That is what I prefer to Ubuntu, Mint and the like which have new versions every 6 months. I've got Manjaro on my desktop and installed it I think 7 years ago, maybe 8. They have official releases for XFCE, Gnome and KDE Plasma. I use KDE, but you might prefer Gnome if that is what you are using already.Thanks Sal, I'll have a look into that one. Really appreciate your input as I'd never even heard of it.
Check them both out, and I do think the rolling releases are the way to go for older people. I put some older relatives on Mint for a time and that worked okay, but I had to do some updates for them couple times a year. That was better than Windows which is better now I think, but was impossible to keep malware off of for older users a decade or so back. So twice a year attention and no calls in between wasn't bad vs Windows.
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