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The Death of Windows 10

I have two newish laptops running Win11 and I honestly rarely use them due to the OS. It's slow, annoying and honestly was a downgrade from W10, not that W10 is wonderful either. It's still a mashup of Vista/Win7/8 and 10, plus bits of absolutely stupid W11 ideas.

A pity, but it is what it is.

If you ever want to remember what a good OS was, go pull out and old XPSP3 machine or a Win7 machine. Fire them up and just revel in the speed, even on 10-20 year old hardware, especially on the network.

I'm in the process of moving to Linux (again) on a few non-critical machines, but I think I'll be stuck on MS's OS teat for a few more years yet. Just never again on MSOffice- all open source going forward.
Did just that installed on a 15 year old Acer intel P6100 laptop Linux Ubuntu running on a 120 SSD with 4GB RAM this thing is now flying. Linux Ubuntu setup + all apps is just 12GB. Desktop is suche installed as the old Windows 10 OS. Even foobar2000 running Mathaudio Room EQ is emulated. Most important all old Windows office files are running perfectly in LibreOffice. Used for basic needs. No need for a new laptop or Windows 11. It only stuck in Foobar2000 on 48 khz.

 
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I'm in the process of moving to Linux (again)...

First, we realize that MS is turning Windows away from primarily an OS, to an on going sales platform. It will be a pay as you go 'service'. Alternatives for 'older' hardware exist, but...

For many folks, Linux will be hit or miss. I recently investigated a handful of distros due to one of my machines not being 'Win 11' ready (otherwise it's still a very capable PC). Almost all distros had their own peculiar issues--or rather I should say that it was my particular hardware that had issues with the distros. Particularly, printing and wireless could be problematic, depending on your hardware. Also, some software applications may not work outside of Win--for example, my guitar modeling amp interface is Win specific.

A good way to check it all out is using a virtual machine. However due to overhead, as a 'daily driver' a virtual machine is probably ill suited for day in and day out use. My main PC is mid to upper-range modern (Core i7-14700K; 32 GB RAM; RTX-4070 Super...) and it will more or less acceptably run various VM. However graphics acceleration on a VM can be questionable.

Linux itself is undergoing some growing pains, with certain distros moving from X11 to Wayland for 'under the hood' GUI implementation. YMMV. Like the Windows UI debate, you get the same thing with Gnome v KDE etc. Personally I think both Gnome and KDE lost their way, years ago. But everyone has an opinion on that.

I would not advise dual booting, unless you are prepared for one or the other OS to cause problems, and you have the ability to fool around with your partitions and bootloader.

For those interested in VM exploration, below are a couple of screen shots showing possibilities, along with a Q4OS desktop based on the old KDE 3x GUI (and the Unix CDE theme). Q4OS is a 'lightweight' distro that will run acceptably on a VM, I have found. and KDE 3x was for me a straightforward UI, both configuarable and no-nonsense at the same time.

The two main VM (Virtual Box and VMware are free to experiment with). And you can also relive the magic of the 'old days' by installing all the others.

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Did just that installed on a 15 year old intel 6100 laptop Linux Ubuntu running on a 120 SSD with 4 gb RAM this thing is flying.

An i3 6100 is, what, 9 years old, still amazing. My main lab PC is an i5 4440 and it's still fine for anything I do.
 
An i3 6100 is, what, 9 years old, still amazing. My main lab PC is an i5 4440 and it's still fine for anything I do.
My wife 6100 intel Acer laptop was pre- installed with Windows 7 free upgraded to 10 an as slow as a snail especially when Windows updates where installed. So almost decided to buy a new one. Had a spare 120GB SSD 2.5 inch SATA drive pre- istalled with Linux Ubuntu.
The wife is quite happy with it.;)
 
An i3 6100 is, what, 9 years old, still amazing. My main lab PC is an i5 4440 and it's still fine for anything I do.
It is not by far a i3 6100 it is a P6100 2 cores introduction year 2010. But again flying under Linux:facepalm:
 
and so how does Microsoft look at this mass 70% and not realise that win11 will probably have issues even getting to 50% unless there is some mass paradigm shift

MS is a typically 'mature' company, where (it seems) rigid committees whose primary interest flows from HR and not engineering, rules the roost. You can always count on the fact that MS has a 'vision' and that their vision is not necessarily tied to either consumer or corporate needs/desire.

Also, we realize that the end-user, the guy at the keyboard, is not the MS customer. Their customer are large OEMs, mega-corporations, governments, and lately, themselves. The company is transitioning to make themselves their largest 'customer' by turning their products from a 'one and done' into an on-going service/advertising platform representing a continuous stream of income. Plus (and this is most important) total control of the desktop--both hardware and software.

History is history, and has been rehashed to no one's enjoyment, but it is interesting to look back, say, from Vista, which was a marketing flop, to 7 which was generally well received. Then at the helm, Ballmer had his own vision--everything was going to be portable and standardized --> Windows Phones, Windows Tablets, and naturally, the Windows Desktop itself. This was Win 8x. But for whatever reason, no one had the good sense (or were afraid) to interrupt Steve's monkey-boy dance by telling him that a desktop PC is neither a phone nor a tablet. And that corporate IT departments training tens of thousands of workers didn't want to have to retrain an entire workforce to accomplish rote tasks they already knew how to do.

Some say the 8x debacle was Steve's biggest end of career determinate... who knows?

Lost in all of it too was the idea that 8x was going to somehow launch a 'revolution' in the PC OEM industry by sparking incredible new hardware sales, as everyone would want a new and improved 'portable' form factor PC, with 'live tiles' on a Metro desktop. But that didn't happen.

Yet the core vision didn't depart the company after Ballmer beamed up. Nadella was smart enough to to understand that garbage user interfaces don't matter, as long as they are 'good enough' and not too different from what went before. That people will take what they are offered as long as it is not too weird. He understands that. He also realized the potential to turn Windows from something that simply runs a program, into a platform for advertising 'services'. Think about MS 365 (or whatever it's called today). Along with a sub to Office, you get some on-line storage space. So now all your stuff is stored by MS, and it's a hassle to move away from that, so you just keep on keeping on with the plan.

Yet Nadella's biggest move was a now on-going plan to boost sales of new hardware by simply making 'old' (actually, perfectly good) hardware obsolete. This was his Win 11 strategy. Due to rather arbitrary 'security requirments' he made any PC over five or six years old unable to 'upgrade'. Next, by merging what he calls 'AI' into your PC, he pushes even newer hardware--Copilot + PC (designed for AI, it says here).

So at the end of the day, Nadella might not be able to dance like Steve B., but he sure knows how to bring in the dollars. You have to give him that.
 
@anmpr1 today Microsoft is more about Azure cloud and AI than Windows on PC's. Office does bring in a chunk of cash while Windows Home licenses are sold on the cheap to big OEM's. I'm sure there are lots of subscription extras in the Copilot+ AI PC's. Cloud computing is a natural for AI because the large powerful AI's run on hardware which is too expensive for small and medium sized companies. It's more economical for those customers to rent it on the cloud. Their stock had a tough time for decades which ended in 2015 when it took off. Steve B moaned that Win 8 was a disappointment, but his real mistake was not recognizing the potential of the Internet.
 
My wife's pretty expensive, three year old HP Envy 13, running Win 10 Home just recently turned itself to scrap with an onboard memory fault. I had a rummage in the home office and found my old Asus Vivobook S200E with a dual core Celeron 1.1GHz processor and 2GB RAM. I bought it as an 'open box' return unit about ten years ago for about £100 and installed Zorin OS on it a year or so ago just to try it out.

Anyway, I fired it up, created a new user for my wife to use and gave it her as a stop gap until she decides what she wants to replace the HP Envy. With Zorin on it the old thing fairly wizzes along and, at the moment, she is showing no signs of actually wanting to change it for something else.

I think the moral of this tale is that for most everyday tasks Linux is a perfectly acceptable alternative to Windows 10 or 11 and definitely preferable to buying new hardware to run Win 11.

Edit:- I should add that I swapped the spinning HDD for an SSD some years ago when it was still running Windows. That did perk it up quite a bit.
 
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I think the moral of this tale is that for most everyday tasks Linux is a perfectly acceptable alternative to Windows 10 or 11 and definitely preferable to buying new hardware to run Win 11.
Linux is fine for a lot of things and so is old hardware. I rely heavily on Adobe Creative Cloud applications for photography. Every time I say this someone will chime in with "use RawTherapee and Gimp". My reaction is that's like saying an all beef hot dog is a good substitute for a steak. I can also say with from experience working with high resolution raw images requires a modern processor, 16 gigs of main memory and discrete graphics, or an Apple silicon Mac unless you have all the time in the world and don't mind a frustrating workflow. You might as well shoot Jpeg's. There's a disproportionate base of Linux users here at ASR, but the reality is Linux powers only a tiny portion of the world's desktop. MacOS has 22%, Windows 70% and everything else including Chromebooks (now proliferating in schools) the remaining 8%.
 
I'm running Linux Ubuntu server (for reason of stability and some amount of security) and win10 clients (for the girls and some reasons).
What are these reasons:
Not every special application runs on Linux .. if you're lucky Wine can compensate it, but drivers mostly are constructed for win use.
One very sad example of how to not do it is my Philips Ultrasonic: it runs on Windows Home :mad:
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I hate using windows at work.
MacOS and Linux at home.
Even my 60 year parents have no problems with Ubuntu.
 
The game is changing to 'software as a service'... where you don't 'buy and keep' anything, but subscribe and then get updates. As an old timer I don't particularly like that model, but what I like or don't like is irrelevant, for sure.

It is not just a Windows thing either. Red Hat (now IBM) made spectacular growth essentially 'giving away' their RHEL OS, but offering subscription support. Back in the day, decent productivity software was through the roof expensive. Although truth be known most consumers could be happy and functional with MS Works (or one of the various other 'all in one packages', all for not much money--sometimes given away as part of a new PC), a retail box of MS Office, Lotus Smart Suite, or whoever happened to own Word Perfect's Suite--those boxes would set you back four or five hundred dollars.

So one can easily argue that there is 'value to the consumer' in the monthly sub model. I don't deny that.

We find that in music, with the cloud streaming services. Cars are almost too expensive to buy and maintain, so the three year lease is popular. Is that unlike renting a house or apartment? What about relationships? Would it be possible to subscribe to a wife? That might be next year's latest and greatest idea.
 
When Microsoft stops updating Win10, I'll format and install Win10 LTS (Long Term Support) that expires in January 2032 (check endoflife.date) - I refuse to update to Win11 because it's frustating to work with, especially since most apps don't work perfectly and some games actually crash during gameplay (I mostly play videogames so that's important that my OS is stable)

I decided to install Windows Optimizer to enable privacy features and it actually helped my system to become more stable without the crap that comes preinstalled with Windows.

I'll try Windows 12 when it comes out, since Microsoft decided to adopt the MacOS style of updates, where a " " "new and improved" " " version of the OS comes out every year.
I'd rather have a new Windows that it's completely new from the core and incompatible with previous versions of the OS.

If you have PCs that have CPUs from 2016 or older, I suggest upgrading to a new system. The difference in performance gain from Intel 12th gen and Ryzen 5th gen is phenomenal!
AFAIK Win 12 is cancelled, eg and many other sources. In any case it'll be largely the same NT code base so that Win executables can execute!
 
The next step will be 12 or 14 :mad:
 
I really like how my Windows10 is working, quite heavily customize though with different programs to make the experience better, and to me it's really good and wouldn't want it another way. But seeing how Win11 is a downgrade from 10 and coming versions probably will be even worse I fear I must go over to Linux sooner or later. I mean I could stay on 10 as long as possible but sooner or later I unfortunately must "upgrade", or go Linux of course, but then Linux won't work in the same way that I'm used to and want to.
One of the bigger reasons why I haven't even tried Linux yet is because of Photoshop, apparently it's not working good at all with Wine and I don't see how I would live without it :\
 
I really like how my Windows10 is working, quite heavily customize though with different programs to make the experience better, and to me it's really good and wouldn't want it another way. But seeing how Win11 is a downgrade from 10 and coming versions probably will be even worse I fear I must go over to Linux sooner or later. I mean I could stay on 10 as long as possible but sooner or later I unfortunately must "upgrade", or go Linux of course, but then Linux won't work in the same way that I'm used to and want to.
One of the bigger reasons why I haven't even tried Linux yet is because of Photoshop, apparently it's not working good at all with Wine and I don't see how I would live without it :\
Give Gimp a try...
 
Give Gimp a try...
I have been force to at work a few times and yeah no I hate it. Affinity Photo on the other hand might be a worthy replacement, but trying to learn an old dog to sit is quite hard, I mean I have been using Photoshop for nearly 30 years now..
 
bill gates needs many more pies in the face , lousy windows now with software buy this and have to renew the price every year , more pies in gates face and that covid thing as well , ,more pies

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