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Well there is a difference between those who can verify their views and those who can't. Join the first category if you can and stop beating around the bush.
I'm pretty sure that not just me has noticed that nothing you ever say has anything to do with science... I seriously don't waste my time with people like you & now it ends.Well there is a difference between those who can verify their views and those who can't. Join the first category if you can and stop beating around the bush.
In all of your posts in this thread I have not seen any credible science, chum. But, yes, it now ends.
The way I see is this is all about one thing: is @Maxicut lying when he says he's a pro or not?
Because if he's lying, then yeah - we can pretty much claim everything he says can be challenged as he doesn't know more than we do about mixing & mastering.
But if he isn't lying we actually have a chance to learn something. Pro mixing & mastering is a world 99.9% of forum member's here doesn't know anything as they have never lay a foot in the studio. But there will be a number of folks here who would still enter into the discussion with a pro and start to call BS every single thing they don't undderstand. And there goes the chance for the rest of us to learn something as the guy will turn around and walk away.
So, let's first establish if we believe @Maxicut is a pro, because if he is than none of us have the knowledge to call BS anything he says (except a few pros being members here) and we would better do with less talking and more reading/learning.
Because if he's lying, then yeah - we can pretty much claim everything he says can be challenged as he doesn't know more than we do about mixing & mastering.
But if he isn't lying we actually have a chance to learn something. Pro mixing & mastering is a world 99.9% of forum member's here doesn't know anything as they have never lay a foot in the studio. But there will be a number of folks here who would still enter into the discussion with a pro and start to call BS every single thing they don't undderstand. And there goes the chance for the rest of us to learn something as the guy will turn around and walk away.
So, let's first establish if we believe @Maxicut is a pro, because if he is than none of us have the knowledge to call BS anything he says (except a few pros being members here) and we would better do with less talking and more reading/learning.
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When someone claims: "If you use subs &/or large monitors to mix/master anything, the lows will disappear in the mix when played back in real life. You can get away with using 8" monitors only in very large (and expensive) mixing rooms & anything above 8" is nothing but internet BS" then it's quite clear we're dealing with someone who hasn't a clue.
May be, I wouldn't know, but I remember hearing something like that from a pro when I met him in person.
I have never done any mixing & mastering. Are you a pro or you're just offering your unqalified "logical" opinion on this?
Let @Maxicut establish his credentials. I put this to him and he didn't respond. By the way, this forum has members experienced in sound recording so don't superciliously dismiss them.
I would add to the reading/learning comment - clear and rational thinking, and clear expression, in posts when expressing held views.
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As with in anything, even in the professional world opinions are wide and varied. When it comes to sound reproduction, which is necessary for mixing and mastering, he is simply wrong. @Igor Kirkwood is a professional and he employs a custom system with 4 subwoofers. I have listened to one of his albums, and it's excellent.
My point here is are we qualified enough to judge if one pro does something better that the other one. Your subjective opinion about one album can hardly act as a valid argument in that discussion.
Looks like the answer is directed for clueless noobs mixing in closets. Uncalibrated subs might make boom? Crossover is needed? Uh huh. I would assume good starting point for a serious answer would be a completely flat well calibrated system.
Well, there are pro's, and there are pro's. I am not even pretending that I know anything...I'm just trying to clarify what he is stating so I can hopefully learn something. My question I suppose is whether he is trying to represent common knowledge among those who do this for an actual living, or if it is his own belief or feeling. I know he said Jitter was the single most important metric in what makes audio sound good, so I had to start wondering there...
I was actually going to try to summon you into this question, because you have much more background in this, to see what your thoughts were on his pretty much unequivocal statements on this subject. When I hear one 'expert' say something that seems a bit off, I'll try to find other 'experts' to see what they have to say. At first (and second) glance, it seems this isn't a universal position in the mastering industry...so I would like to know more about what he's actually done.
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Well then we should look at it objectively. Mixing and mastering is simply another step that involves sound reproduction, by loudspeakers, in a room. Loudspeaker performance in itself is independent of the physical size of one of the drivers. It's an absurd motion. Like I said, it's not because you have the ability to drive a formula one car (mix an album) that you can design and calibrate one. If they all knew best, we'd have less crappy sounding albums.
I didn't say anything about Hoffman. I commented on some of the armchair opinions of his forum members. Learn to read a post.
And there we have it: 2 of you offering unqalified opinion on a topic that is clearly not your profession. Sure, it is remotely related to our hobby, but that definitely doesn't make us qalified to offer a valid opinion. With such attitude we will chase away any pro that will come here and loose a chance to learn something.
Haven't you learnt something about unqualified views being proffered on ASR? Maybe not.
I don't know the guy so I can't claim anything about him, but with our attitude we chased him away before he had a chance to better explain his thoughts. We don't need to accept everything a persom claiming to be a pro says but I certainly think that we should listen what he has to say. And yet we haven't done that, so we potentially lost a chance to learn something. And same thing we'll happen in the future if we don't change our attitude..
Are you a pro or you're just offering your unqalified opinion? Less than 1% of folks here seems to have well calibrated sub which is properly XO'd, so yeah, this should be said. In fact probably more than 90% of the folks haven't even EQ'd their speakers so they are "enyjoing" at least 20dB of bass variations in their rooms, yet all of them have an opinion about how bass should sound. So yes, emphasizing that sub should be calibrated and properly XO'd is a valid advice for most of the users of this forum and I see no reason why a pro wouldn't state it.
He was listened to. He was asked to elaborate and didn't. He was not chased away. He avoided clearly explaining his viewpoint. Don't blame members who ascribe to the ASR philosophy for his evasiveness.
Did I offer some opinion? I was expecting an answer to hear how pros actually use or not use subwoofers, assuming properly implemented. Per my previous Infected Mushroom post, apparently they aren't necessarily required. But probably many pros aren't @mitchco level at integrating subs etc. I'd still like to find out if properly integrated subwoofers are somehow detrimental in mixing/mastering process - assuming music with low frequencies.
edit: All that I've learned from these discussions is that if I were to make music, I'd certainly want to learn how to mix/master myself. But I guess that's quite common and easy to do in electronic scene anyway. Unless something like vinyl cutting is required.
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