The Case Against OLED

[NDRQ]

Some strong opinions, can it have something to do with where you guys live? People in sunny areas as Cali and Florida could have a different baseline of bright than people in Denmark or the UK where the sky/weather is closer to a medium grey.

Being from an grey area, I cannot imagine using my 1 year old LG OLED with anything near full brightness. That would just hurt. Even with curtains open on a sunny day, because my living room faces south east so the sunlight doesn’t directly enter the room after noon either.

I live in a really bright area, but i have shutter on my windows, too bright rooms are not that comfy.
I usually watching stuffs in the afternoon/night and dont really use high brightness.

 

[EJ3]

Jesus, my poor retinas. That red yo ... reds always hit hardest with my Sony. :'D
Barring the usual LCD viewing angles, I cannot see any defects.

Pretty impressive, considering the ~25K h runtime of my TV and the fact that LEDs will develop issues over time as well, as demonstrated by RTINGS. Guess it helps that it usually runs at minimum brightness because I'm a cave dwelling mole. :X

Going "arrrgh!" and squinting when coming out of a cave into the sun in an HDR game is half the fun.

My wife & I are "night" people. Going to sleep at close to sunup & sleeping until after noon. Generally not outside until after 4 in the afternoon (unless necessary for a Dr.'s appointment or something). Needless to say, the inside of our house is not bright during the day. Even the windows have ceramic automotive window tint on them (also potentially helpful from projectiles caused by major storms).
But we find that when we do go into direct sunlight, that many times we have major sneezing fits.
Have we become allergic to sun light? (Just joking folks, but sometimes it seems that way).

 

[Sal1950]

Going "arrrgh!" and squinting when coming out of a cave into the sun in an HDR game is half the fun.

Beware you don't become a Morlock !

 

[Aerith Gainsborough]

Some strong opinions, can it have something to do with where you guys live? People in sunny areas as Cali and Florida could have a different baseline of bright than people in Denmark or the UK where the sky/weather is closer to a medium grey.

Being from an grey area, I cannot imagine using my 1 year old LG OLED with anything near full brightness. That would just hurt. Even with curtains open on a sunny day, because my living room faces south east so the sunlight doesn’t directly enter the room after noon either.

Northern Germany, so umm more of a "grey area" as well but my room has one side mostly windows, south (I think) so I have the sun blaring into it most of the day.

Still, with curtains closed, I don't think an OLED would struggle in my particular situation. With open curtains, I do notice my LED beefing the brightness automatically (I have the sensor enabled).

My wife & I are "night" people. Going to sleep at close to sunup & sleeping until after noon. Generally not outside until after 4 in the afternoon

*chuckles*
As a working man, I do not have that luxury.
By nature though, I am darkness loving as well.

 

[FreakyKiwi]

My B7 is almost 8 years old now and there has been significant development since then.

I have my doubts about that, are they much improved or just newer?
I've seen 3-4 year old OLEDs with bad burn in.

Side by side in the store OLEDs certainly look better, but I'm happy with my micro LED (misleading naming aside) at home which suits my day time viewing with 2000 nits as I already have a projector for movies which is best in a dark room.

I also still have an old plasma in the guest room which has lost a ton of brightness since new despite the love for these vs LCD at the time.

 

[Sal1950]

Northern Germany, so umm more of a "grey area" as well but my room has one side mostly windows, south (I think) so I have the sun blaring into it most of the day.

Still, with curtains closed, I don't think an OLED would struggle in my particular situation. With open curtains, I do notice my LED beefing the brightness automatically (I have the sensor enabled).

*chuckles*
As a working man, I do not have that luxury.
By nature though, I am darkness loving as well.

After retirement, it's a very easy pattern to fall into when you don't have to answer an alarm clock every day.
I try to keep myself more in-sync with the world by getting up 9-10am ish, but its hard.

 

[EJ3]

Northern Germany, so umm more of a "grey area" as well but my room has one side mostly windows, south (I think) so I have the sun blaring into it most of the day.

Still, with curtains closed, I don't think an OLED would struggle in my particular situation. With open curtains, I do notice my LED beefing the brightness automatically (I have the sensor enabled).

*chuckles*
As a working man, I do not have that luxury.
By nature though, I am darkness loving as well.

I have mostly tried to have second or 3rd shift jobs. But, for 17 years my job was mainly on the interior of ships, B deck to G deck , so very few of my duties' were out on the open deck. The ones that were out there involved less than 30 minutes in duration once a month.
Under those conditions sunrise & sunset & how long there was sun in a day was a mute point. The pay was good, the tax situation was good & I had room & board, worked a 40 hour week & could do whatever I wanted with my non-work time (of course, when the ship was at sea, that wasn't much but many times it was anchored or pier side somewhere...

 

[Aerith Gainsborough]

After retirement, it's a very easy pattern to fall into when you don't have to answer an alarm clock every day.
I try to keep myself more in-sync with the world by getting up 9-10am ish, but its hard.

Totally understandable, especially if you are a night owl like me.
I had a phase like that after uni before getting a job as well.

Indeed it takes a lot of self discipline to get up semi-early every day when you constantly ask yourself "why? nothing much happening today anyway". Add to that, that the body isn't really taxed / tired at sleeping time and you are all set. :'D

The ones that were out there involved less than 30 minutes in duration once a month.

Oof.. sounds rough.
I hope you at least have daylight lamps below deck. Such a lack of sunlight is just a depression waiting to happen.

 

[Djsedaw]

I have 4 enormous led tv's that i can make a shelter with in case of nuclear attack!

 

[EJ3]

After retirement, it's a very easy pattern to fall into when you don't have to answer an alarm clock every day.
I try to keep myself more in-sync with the world by getting up 9-10am ish, but its hard.

We, my wife & I, baring interruptions, plans of others, Dr., Lawyer, Gym & Masseuse appointments, try to go to bed just after sunup & awake when ever.
And do what we can to not be in the sun after 10 AM (1000) & before 4 PM (1600).
If we are in the sun during those hours, we are most likely well covered, regardless of the temperature.
We consider our car, with ceramic tinted windows (including the sunroof), to be a moderately+ good cover.

 

[EJ3]

Totally understandable, especially if you are a night owl like me.
I had a phase like that after uni before getting a job as well.

Indeed it takes a lot of self discipline to get up semi-early every day when you constantly ask yourself "why? nothing much happening today anyway". Add to that, that the body isn't really taxed / tired at sleeping time and you are all set. :'D

Oof.. sounds rough.
I hope you at least have daylight lamps below deck. Such a lack of sunlight is just a depression waiting to happen.

Those damn sodium lights that will give you a sunburn & cause early onset cataracts (happened to me) but in the last couple of years they transition to these incredibly powered LED lighting that was great.

 

[Aerith Gainsborough]

Those damn sodium lights that will give you a sunburn & cause early onset cataracts (happened to me) but in the last couple of years they transition to these incredibly powered LED lighting that was great.

Ay Caramba, artificial light strong enough to cause sunburns?
Yikes!

What were you guys trying to do below deck? Roast the fish or sth?

 

[EJ3]

Ay Caramba, artificial light strong enough to cause sunburns?
Yikes!

What were you guys trying to do below deck? Roast the fish or sth?

Supposedly people don't go near the lights because they are 20-30 feet up. But park vehicles the size of tractor trailers under them & people need to inspect the tops of the vehicles in case any hazardous waste is leaking (for instance a tractor trailer full of lead acid or lithium batteries. [or worse].
Yes , it's happened, there have been fires that couldn't be put out & the only solution is to somehow get what's on fire & throw it overboard (wearing fire suits & driving fork lifts to get something that is on fire), knowing that if you do not succeed, everybody on board is dead, what fun.

 

[bravomail]

I'll give you an offtopic - plasma is better than OLED! There are so many youtube videos on the topic!
In short, most OLED TVs lack "black frame insertion". And the colors of only 10bit vs plasma's 12bit.

 

[Oddball]

I'll give you an offtopic - plasma is better than OLED! There are so many youtube videos on the topic!
In short, most OLED TVs lack "black frame insertion". And the colors of only 10bit vs plasma's 12bit.

Not in the OLED camp anymore for most part, but love the Plasma camp. It just never gives up. You have to give them credit for the persistency, sadly not for much more.

 

[EJ3]

I'll give you an offtopic - plasma is better than OLED! There are so many youtube videos on the topic!
In short, most OLED TVs lack "black frame insertion". And the colors of only 10bit vs plasma's 12bit.

My 2014 Panasonic 48" Plasma looks better than the 2019 50" QLED here ("Samsung"?).

 

[Sal1950]

My 2014 Panasonic 48" Plasma looks better than the 2019 50" QLED here ("Samsung"?).

Is your Sammy broken ?

 

[Soria Moria]

In short, most OLED TVs lack "black frame insertion".

This is why I sold my LG C2 and replaced it with a CRT for games. Couldn't stomach the bad motion. Pretty good black levels too!

 

[Sal1950]

This is why I sold my LG C2 and replaced it with a CRT for games. Couldn't stomach the bad motion. Pretty good black levels too!

What size is it?

 

[Soria Moria]

What size is it?

20 inches. It's a 2004 Mitsubishi 2070SB.