The Case Against OLED

[Sal1950]

I have had no TV since 2007, I was thinking that 48" would be fine in the living room (viewing distance 9 feet [can make it 12 feet but that is NOT a permanent spot for the couch, as it causes the front door to be a labyrinth the moment you step inside. & a 32" monitor (up from 27") on my desk top computer in my office.

When I got my first 55" LCD flat screen I wished I could have afforded a 65.
I owned that 55 till the 75s became affordable and jumped to that.
Till the 85s became affordable, guess what I did..
The dang 100s are near affordable now but the space at the front of my room isn't wide enough to
get a 100 between the speakers so that's it for me..
But like music, the more immersive the experience the better, and so it goes with screen size.

 

[Aerith Gainsborough]

But like music, the more immersive the experience the better, and so it goes with screen size.

Depends on seating distance.

I use a wall-mounted 55" 4K screen at 100% scaling as a computer monitor.
Sort of "interactive wall" and I can't really imagine going bigger. Due to wearing glasses I already have to move my head at times. :'D

The one thing I'd actually do wish is for the industry to get a move on with micro-LED because I'd like to ditch the LED downsides but OLED is simply not an option when doing hours of work with static content.

 

[Sal1950]

Depends on seating distance.

Well sure, you wouldn't want an 85 on your desktop 12" away.
You didn't state your viewing distance but an 85 is perfect for movie/concert viewing at approx 8.5' and mixed viewing at 11.5".

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The one thing I'd actually do wish is for the industry to get a move on with micro-LED because I'd like to ditch the LED downsides but OLED is simply not an option when doing hours of work with static content.

Agreed. Until OLED progresses to a point that burn-in is no longer an issue and will warrant the panel against it, I'll stick with non OLED.
I often use my computer as a source for stored music and video, and often fall asleep watching it, leaving a static image on for many hours.
One bitten twice shy for anything that can burn.
My current set is a Samsung 85" QLED with miniLEDs, the picture quality is incredible including blacks, with screen brightnss to fry a nat.
I frinken love this panel.

 

[Oddball]

For viewing high quality content, I think you can get closer to the screen that 8.5 feet with 85", but that unfortunately clashes with the audio setup. That is why 98" format is really the sweet spot for those that can fit it in their setup and why 98" is getting so much attention and buys.

110 and 115" class is even better as it allows you to pull MLP back and expand the soundstage to the extent needed/warranted, but those are still a bit on the costly side.

There have been a lots of threads on FOV vs immersion. FOV is not necessarily equivalent of immersion. Just one way to get closer to it. Immersion on 150 or 200" screens is still unsurpassed but it comes at its own expense with the new large mini LEDs.

 

[Bleib]

G4 wins

 

[beefkabob]

48 vs 50" is nothing to worry about. I'm hoping for a ~50" 8k. I'd buy that in a snap, especially if microled or oled. It'll be a fantastic computer monitor.

 

[sajgre]

I'm in a process of buying new TV, currently I have a few years old 65 which is just fine except it is way to small. I'm only watching movies from 13 feet and I want to get immersion. Problem is that 100' tv is ugly when not in use and also degrades sound of hifi. That is why I'm seriously considering ultra short thow projector (hisense px3) with 120' retractable screen. Any thoughts?

 

[beefkabob]

UST and retractable are a bad combo. The light is at such a sharp angle, flatness becomes paramount.

 

[Fahzz]

48 vs 50" is nothing to worry about. I'm hoping for a ~50" 8k. I'd buy that in a snap, especially if microled or oled. It'll be a fantastic computer monitor.

Best Buy has LG B3 48" for $599. Which I think is less than half list price. No bells and or whistles but OLED! I am sooo on the fence about this, since I have an old non smart plasma right now.

 

[sajgre]

UST and retractable are a bad combo. The light is at such a sharp angle, flatness becomes paramount.

My bad, I might be getting floor rising screen. Probably still not ideal?

 

[EJ3]

When I got my first 55" LCD flat screen I wished I could have afforded a 65.
I owned that 55 till the 75s became affordable and jumped to that.
Till the 85s became affordable, guess what I did..
The dang 100s are near affordable now but the space at the front of my room isn't wide enough to
get a 100 between the speakers so that's it for me..
But like music, the more immersive the experience the better, and so it goes with screen size.

The 48" is a 3 year old Samsung (TOTL then) with about 5 hours on it & it's free. In this case FREE is ME. Otherwise, I wouldn't bother with one. I got a neighbor that gets 36 channels of HD over the air (and I have my oPPo 205 UDP & lots of stored 4K for anything else I might want to watch). It's not likely to get much use anyway. I'll be surprised if it gets more than 50 hours of use a year anyway.

 

[Palladium]

Actually, OLEDs are ideal for evening viewings and not so much for daylight, bright rooms.
OLED has one main advantage, that no other technology can equal, Contrast!
OLED uses individual colour bulbs! to make the picture, since they can be turned fully off, fully on & in-between, in essence gives the OLED panels infinite contrast ratio.
This is important!
However, cost-effective OLEDs have one drawback, that is max. brightness, also prone to burnouts if abused.
So if you do not require a very bright TV, OLED is the way to go, but don't answer too quickly. A TV capable of good brightness with control is the first requirement for me, but I won't go into details of that.
For me, a mini-led TV with good local dimming and quantum dot, still, is the best compromise.

The real world visual advantage of Infinite contrast ratio goes away the moment the room gets even remotely bright.

 

[Sal1950]

Problem is that 100' tv is ugly when not in use and also degrades sound of hifi. That is why I'm seriously considering ultra short thow projector (hisense px3) with 120' retractable screen. Any thoughts?

Beauty is in the eye and all that. As to the degraded sound of HiFi, if your worried about sound reflections off the video screen, keep a heavy blanket around to throw over the screen when not in use to absorb any reflections, then turn down the lights so you can't see it, that's always better anyway.
I have an 85 between my speakers and can't hear it, maybe I'm deef?

 

[Blumlein 88]

Another option on a large screen would be a large retractable cover. You lower it when the screen is not in use and raise it to watch video.

 

[beefkabob]

Best Buy has LG B3 48" for $599. Which I think is less than half list price. No bells and or whistles but OLED! I am sooo on the fence about this, since I have an old non smart plasma right now.

I use a 48 LG oled as my computer monitor. No regrets. I never use my 85 Sony. Big regrets. 85 of them.

 

[Aerith Gainsborough]

You didn't state your viewing distance

Arms length.
Same viewing distance as a normal computer monitor.
Naturally I don't always work in full screen, that would be bad for ergonomics. Still, having that kind of screen space on demand is awesome. (Same as 4x 27")

My current set is a Samsung 85" QLED with miniLEDs, the picture quality is incredible including blacks, with screen brightnss to fry a nat.

I wish they'd make decent mini-LEDs in 55". Due to living conditions I simply cannot fit anything bigger. ._.

48 vs 50" is nothing to worry about. I'm hoping for a ~50" 8k. I'd buy that in a snap, especially if microled or oled. It'll be a fantastic computer monitor.

As long as you don't intend to do any demanding gaming or use software that is incompatible with high DPI scaling.

I use a 48 LG oled as my computer monitor.

How do you deal with uneven wear due to static images?

 

[Sal1950]

I wish they'd make decent mini-LEDs in 55". Due to living conditions I simply cannot fit anything bigger. ._.

??? I see no reason why a 55" Samsung QN90, 80, or even 70 series shouldn't offer you what you want.
Check one out at BestBuy or whatever.

 

[Andysu]

I had a 135” 21:9 ALR constant height setup for a while. I loved the picture size and complete immersion watching movies at night. Unfortunately, it was in a great room (family, dining, kitchen combined). It did not make for a good every day TV.

Martin

what is constant oled height , your the dude is it like a , you know like a

 

[Timcognito]

I wish they'd make decent mini-LEDs in 55". Due to living conditions I simply cannot fit anything bigger. ._.

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[beefkabob]

As long as you don't intend to do any demanding gaming or use software that is incompatible with high DPI scaling.

How do you deal with uneven wear due to static images?

I game in a centered window. No issue.

No problems with burn in that I have noticed. I love the pitch black backgrounds. I used it a ton over covid. Not so much now. No burn in on the oled laptop I used for 5 years either. Now that is just a backup of a backup laptop. My current laptop is 4k led but I mostly use it for text with two other screens at work.