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The Case Against OLED
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Yep, it's the visual equivalent of eqing speakers or headphones.
This is for an LG C3 (popular in the color grading world), and shows some more detail.
bloodshoteyed
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maybe you could help me out, can't really find any info if the stands/feet can be mounted inwards like on older series (if mounted in the default position, the 65"'s feet would be just a few mm too wide for my cabinet)
Without having tried it myself, I am 99% certain mine can. I have attached three indicators that support this.
- Pictures of the side and middle sockets of my unit
- A picture of the setup guide that came with my TV
- A screenshot of the specs page on the Sony NL site
But!
The startup guide offered at the international site seems to be a different one. It includes the 55 inch model which I believe isn't available in Europe, and it only describes the wide A and B mounting options. Also, its specs page does not mention the narrow position.
Finally, have a look here, timestamp included, where he basically answers your question for his unit.
Sorry for the lengthy reply but all in all I suspect it is region dependent.
Hope this helps!
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thanks for your thorough explanation
I'd like to share a little update on this.
When one researches X90L recommended settings, there is really not much disagreement when it comes to color settings for this TV. General consensus seems to be that the X90L is remarkably accurate out of the box, after setting it to Custom + Expert 1. All other settings, like brightness, contrast or motion are either personal preference or also largely shared across the on line experts' recommendations.
So far I have only tried to optimize the DVB-C cable TV input, and never quite found myself agreeing with this. Also, as mentioned previously, the HDR channels didn't appeal very much either.
Until I switched to the Apps (Video) input, followed this setup advice again and put on some 4K SDR and HDR demo material in the YouTube app.
Man o man. I am completely blown away. Both SDR and HDR clips look absolutely stunning, and definitely more than accurate enough for me. Beautiful colors, with spot on saturation and excellent skin tones. Combined with its great black levels, my new TV gets me basically all I could ever wish for.
So please ignore the settings quoted above. I am floored by this TV's OOB performance in Custom + Expert 1 mode, and have to conclude that it has never been the TV but rather the DVB-C input's signal that needs correction.
Hope this is of interest to some.
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Too bad that it flckers like hell, has way to fat bezels and is deeper than the mariana trench. I really do prefer me OLED over that ancient and obsolete technology.
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I used to have a higher end CRT back in the days, but despite its cost it started to have a yellow tint to everything
Wasn't quiet either, wrong frequency and it started buzzing
bloodshoteyed
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that was the anti-static coating ageing (classic Samsung issue back in the day which not only yellowed but also cracked)
you could scrape it off tho, especially if you like a little zap from time to time...
and in regards of the X90L...
i waited a bit too long and found the Hisense U8NQ in the meantime...damn what a picture from a mini-LED, looks almost better than my old LG C2 that i'm using instead of a monitor
That’s wonderful @bloodshoteyed!
Meanwhile I managed to fix my DVB-C IQ. Long story short it turned out to be the gamma setting. Moving it from the default -2 to 0 solved everything. Together with High local dimming I now have an absolutely world class cable TV picture.
It simply hadn’t occurred to me that gamma not only affects brightness but also color, esp. skin color. An insight that might help others too. If you feel your faces are ever so slightly too red leave your color sliders alone for a moment and check your gamma setting. It might be the only required adjustment.
Meanwhile I managed to fix my DVB-C IQ. Long story short it turned out to be the gamma setting. Moving it from the default -2 to 0 solved everything. Together with High local dimming I now have an absolutely world class cable TV picture.
It simply hadn’t occurred to me that gamma not only affects brightness but also color, esp. skin color. An insight that might help others too. If you feel your faces are ever so slightly too red leave your color sliders alone for a moment and check your gamma setting. It might be the only required adjustment.
Great video, thanks for sharing.
Not everything that was mentioned is unique for this TV though. Aesthetically it looks almost identical to my X90L. The 4-way feet are nice but also nothing new. Mine for instance has them too. Starting up at the last used input - I bet every 2024 Bravia x has it, and again my 2023 model has it as well.
It’s a shame that this flagship TV didn’t show superior measurements in the video. Of course we don’t know if your unit won’t either, and I’m not even sure you’d notice or bother in the first place. And if so, it is fixable. That said I would have loved to see some additional research as to why he got the measurements he got.
Maybe I missed it but did the reviewer leave out a discussion on viewing angle? The dimming vs. blooming thing he talks about at length is, especially with this TV, not nearly as real world a differentiator than the almost infinite viewing angle that OLED has and LCD doesn’t. For the former one needs the corner case of corner cases to spot it (I mean the end credits of Obi-Wan Kenobi, give me a break), while in the store you can tell every LCD TV among the OLEDs from a distance just by looking at the TV display wall at an angle. A missed opportunity I would say.
Great to hear the sound is nice. The picture seems plenty bright as well.
Prices drop over time. While it will never be bargain TV, it probably won’t stay $3k forever.
Is it an OLED killer? In some respects yes in others no. Either way it looks like a terrific TV, and a very on topic option here.
bloodshoteyed
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haven't really seen the new bravia 7/9 series available in the EU yet, are they selling under another name?
the U8NQ is out for delivery, gonna post first impressions when it arrives (i admit, i'll miss Sony's upscaling/processing capabilities, but tbh i don't really use sources under fullHD anymore)
the U8NQ is out for delivery, gonna post first impressions when it arrives (i admit, i'll miss Sony's upscaling/processing capabilities, but tbh i don't really use sources under fullHD anymore)
I have seen the Bravia 7 in the flesh, at an NL MediaMarkt.
A capable TV. can upscale & process good HD material very well.
Where they miss, is noise & compression artefact reduction.
So the 4K alone, as it is being churned out carelessly, is not much of an improvement, but HDR is!
A clean 4K HDR copy (a rarity) is breathtaking on a good large TV.
So, I have been resorting to Ai processing the footage. Ai can efficiently remove noise and artefacts + upscale.
Results are eye-popping.
If one wants to draw a parallel with HIFI, it is akin to having the best hifi gear, only to play low bitrate mp3 on it.
A good topic this,
Next year i'm going to buy a new Television, I know the size i want it 65", so that's settled. My current TV is 13 years old now, i was sure for many years that it was gonna be Oled, however i'm hesitant since Mini-led already is a huge improvement, and gotten quite close to Oled.
I rarely watch anything in broad daylight, most of viewing is evenings (like virtually everyone else) and even when (only weekends) i can lower electrical blinds.
Any thoughts? or why i still should go for Oled?
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