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I bought Freya+ and TUNG-SOL. However always use passive mode.
Decent choice, certainly. When I found had the Freya + I found Passive best for transparency & detail but Tube mode, (also with Tung Sol), gave pleasant coloration with certain types of music, e.g. Jazz.

Today if I were looking for S/S preamp, I'd probably go for the Freya S. I'm not sure whether I'd use Passive or "Nexus" gain stage more often. The passive stage doesn't convert input from single-ended to balanced differential but since I use balance inputs from my Topping D90 I would get balanced output anyway.
 
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I have absolutely no faith in connecting a DAC with volume control directly to power amps, I personally don't even understand expensive pre-amps with one or two inputs, at which point any good passive volume control will suffice.
For me the preamplifier has to be the main audio interface, with various inputs, at least basic equalization functions, a remote control, crossover functions, sub output etc etc....
If I only need an analog volume control, there are plenty of good quality ones on the market for very little money
I'm in the market for a "good quality analog volume control unit", for very little money - haha. *edit: one that doesn't introduce any unnecesary noise, degrading my source and power amp SINAD at 113 dB)

Do you have any recommendations? Want to avoid the "DAC switches to VOL 100"-situation.

Thanks
 
The passive stage doesn't convert input from single-ended to balanced differential but since I use balance inputs from my Topping D90 I would get balanced output anyway.

The passive stage doesn’t convert but it will do balanced to single ended and single ended to balanced with only one leg working as opposed to a true conversion with positive and negative output.
 
I'm in the market for a "good quality analog volume control unit", for very little money - haha. *edit: one that doesn't introduce any unnecesary noise, degrading my source and power amp SINAD at 113 dB)

Do you have any recommendations? Want to avoid the "DAC switches to VOL 100"-situation.

Thanks
Schiit Sys ($50) is one good solution, has an input switcher too (2 sources), or one of the basic passive pre's on the market, ideally with Alps blue pot or better.

I've always lusted after one of the Luminous Audio passive pre's, but they are a bit too much money for me...nice components...(~$350 and up)

If you want to spend somewhere in the middle, the Schiit Saga S is good, good quality stepped VC with a remote (~$300)
 
I'm in the market for a "good quality analog volume control unit", for very little money - haha. *edit: one that doesn't introduce any unnecesary noise, degrading my source and power amp SINAD at 113 dB)

Do you have any recommendations? Want to avoid the "DAC switches to VOL 100"-situation.

Thanks
I think you'll have a hard time finding an analog volume control with noise levels that low. Analog passive volume controls are usually potentiometers or switched resistor ladders, and each of those imposes resistor noise. The any additional circuitry will impose more resistor noise. In theory, that could be as low as -125 dB or thereabouts for the audio band, but in practice getting anywhere near that is not at all easy, particularly if you want that device to do ANYTHING else.

My B&K preamplifier has a line-amp bypass switch, but it still goes through the main volume pot and also the balance pot. Those pots are high-quality Noble potentiometers, but at anything less than full volume will impart enough noise to pull the SINAD down below your threshold.

But there are other considerations, too. Firstly, if you are listening on headphones, your headphone amp probably already has a volume control, but headphone amps can be made cleaner than speaker amps because the currents are much lower.

Another consideration is what you can actually hear. Let's say you are running the amp without volume control, which means the sound at one meter might be 110 dB SPL. I can't think of anywhere a person might live as having less than about 30 dB SPL of ambient noise, and for most real houses it's probably closer to 40. That means even at full power into real speakers, the signal envelope is 70-80 dB. Even if you want your electronics to have noise levels a full 10 dB under the ambient noise floor, a preamp with a SINAD at full volume of 100 dB is abundant. But that means that at one tenth of full power, the SINAD will be 90 dB--still 10 dB greater than the signal window most people live with whether they realize it or not.

I had the same issue as you. If I'm using this miracle-DAC with its SINAD of 120 dB, and an amp with a SINAD of 120 dB, then why would I want to degrade that using a preamp with a SINAD of 100 dB? Here's why--I didn't need and can't use the high SINAD of the DAC and amp in a real listening environment, and the preamp doesn't degrade anything that can be heard in a real home. Of course, the speakers themselves are, at many frequencies, barely capable of keeping distortion below -40 dB, let alone 100 dB. In a moment of clarity, I realized that my old B&K preamp still provides a signal envelope that encompasses the dynamic range of CDs, and there's no way in the world I can hear the difference between a CD (at 16 bits--96 dB) and even 20 bits (at 120 dB), even without considering the noise floor of my living room.

So, get something you can afford and don't worry about it.

Rick "contentment is a decision" Denney
 
Schiit Sys ($50) is one good solution, has an input switcher too (2 sources), or one of the basic passive pre's on the market, ideally with Alps blue pot or better.

I've always lusted after one of the Luminous Audio passive pre's, but they are a bit too much money for me...nice components...(~$350 and up)

If you want to spend somewhere in the middle, the Schiit Saga S is good, good quality stepped VC with a remote (~$300)
Thanks @Joe Smith. I should have precised that I am running balanced connections. That being said, looking in the "pre-amp" list of Schiit, the first viable option would then be the Schiit Kara? Quite a step up.

Having something as simple as the Schiit Sys, but then with Balanced connections would be perfect, it should be completely passive, so I doesn't require a trigger in- and output. Luminous Audio has some interesting passive equipment no measurements on their Axiom II that I could find, but it being passive, it really shouldn't add any noise/distoring - right?
 
I think you'll have a hard time finding an analog volume control with noise levels that low. Analog passive volume controls are usually potentiometers or switched resistor ladders, and each of those imposes resistor noise. The any additional circuitry will impose more resistor noise. In theory, that could be as low as -125 dB or thereabouts for the audio band, but in practice getting anywhere near that is not at all easy, particularly if you want that device to do ANYTHING else.

My B&K preamplifier has a line-amp bypass switch, but it still goes through the main volume pot and also the balance pot. Those pots are high-quality Noble potentiometers, but at anything less than full volume will impart enough noise to pull the SINAD down below your threshold.

But there are other considerations, too. Firstly, if you are listening on headphones, your headphone amp probably already has a volume control, but headphone amps can be made cleaner than speaker amps because the currents are much lower.

Another consideration is what you can actually hear. Let's say you are running the amp without volume control, which means the sound at one meter might be 110 dB SPL. I can't think of anywhere a person might live as having less than about 30 dB SPL of ambient noise, and for most real houses it's probably closer to 40. That means even at full power into real speakers, the signal envelope is 70-80 dB. Even if you want your electronics to have noise levels a full 10 dB under the ambient noise floor, a preamp with a SINAD at full volume of 100 dB is abundant. But that means that at one tenth of full power, the SINAD will be 90 dB--still 10 dB greater than the signal window most people live with whether they realize it or not.

I had the same issue as you. If I'm using this miracle-DAC with its SINAD of 120 dB, and an amp with a SINAD of 120 dB, then why would I want to degrade that using a preamp with a SINAD of 100 dB? Here's why--I didn't need and can't use the high SINAD of the DAC and amp in a real listening environment, and the preamp doesn't degrade anything that can be heard in a real home. Of course, the speakers themselves are, at many frequencies, barely capable of keeping distortion below -40 dB, let alone 100 dB. In a moment of clarity, I realized that my old B&K preamp still provides a signal envelope that encompasses the dynamic range of CDs, and there's no way in the world I can hear the difference between a CD (at 16 bits--96 dB) and even 20 bits (at 120 dB), even without considering the noise floor of my living room.

So, get something you can afford and don't worry about it.

Rick "contentment is a decision" Denney
Really appreciate you sharing this experience and advice. The volume potentiometer will not be actively used, it should simply stay at that predefined (safety) level - so it really doesn't need any other function. As I don't have a 'dedicated' pre-amp yet and will want to connect my turntable and it's phono stage, I am may want to have two inputs to toggle between. I will need to source a pre-amp in any case, so I should check if any European OEM suppliers have made anything similar to Schiit/Luminous.
 
Right, yeah, I haven't looked for a while as I don't use balanced, but I think Luminous can build any variation you want re connections, number of inputs, etc. I think their pre would be "pretty damn transparent" but I'm sure they can provide more detail. It might not be a lot less than the new Schiit Kara depending on your # of inputs...?
 
Decent choice, certainly. When I found had the Freya + I found Passive best for transparency & detail but Tube mode, (also with Tung Sol), gave pleasant coloration with certain types of music, e.g. Jazz.

Today if I were looking for S/S preamp, I'd probably go for the Freya S. I'm not sure whether I'd use Passive or "Nexus" gain stage more often. The passive stage doesn't convert input from single-ended to balanced differential but since I use balance inputs from my Topping D90 I would get balanced output anyway.
I have several sources including turntable/phono preamp, a CD/SACD universal player and Eversolo DMP A6. I'm using the Freya S with XLR out to a Hypex Nilai stereo amp and RCA to my subwoofer. There are features missing that I would like, such as a trigger, a front panel on/off switch and a subwoofer out, but, for the modest price it provides dead quiet transparent output to my amp. The Nilai amp is set to medium gain and the Schiit is in active 1:1 mode. I am looking forward to seeing a test of the new Schiit Kara to see if there is any meaningful improvement over my Freya S.
 
Can I just show you my current AV pre/Proc, rather than "Tell" you my "Best"??
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What's the thinking on basic studio passive monitor controls; Mackie Big Knob or Behringer Monitor 1?
Cheap (around £50 GBP) , balanced and allows switching between input/output if needed.
Might add some noise, but surely not audibly?
 
By measurements only,Denafrips Athena looks promising.
It also has the looks,agility,solid construction with what seems to be quality components,etc.

No digital I/O though if someone wants them.


 
I using pre main amp TEAC AX-505 with Topping E70 DAC. Speaker is B&W 805D3.

I will buy Hypex new power amp module. So I consider about preamp. Could you recommend some preamp?
If it’s has 12v trigger in/out is best.
I'm using a MiniDSP FLEX. It has tamed the room modes nicely and has a fine selection of inputs. It has balanced outs and I use it with a Hypex NC252 from @Buckeye Amps

It does not have a trigger. I turn the whole system on an off from a switched power strip on the floor. It's a little inelegant but the power strip is mostly tucked under a cabinet. I can push it out of sight under there if I want.
 
I have one preamp a vintage Yamaha C2 that has been restored professionally. It's currently connected to a Yamaha MX-460 amp. Once I get back the Yamaha B-2 amp from restoration they will be permanently paired.
 
I have several sources including turntable/phono preamp, a CD/SACD universal player and Eversolo DMP A6. I'm using the Freya S with XLR out to a Hypex Nilai stereo amp and RCA to my subwoofer. There are features missing that I would like, such as a trigger, a front panel on/off switch and a subwoofer out, but, for the modest price it provides dead quiet transparent output to my amp. The Nilai amp is set to medium gain and the Schiit is in active 1:1 mode. I am looking forward to seeing a test of the new Schiit Kara to see if there is any meaningful improvement over my Freya S.

I don't have a S/S preamp and would like to have one to alternate with my tube preamp, (a Sonic Frontiers Line 1); so I quite curious about the Schiit Kara. I'm not see a whole lot of differences from the Freya S except (i) the Kara has a beefed-up power supply, and (ii) a headphone amp.

Seems to me if your Freya + is doing the job for you, there isn't much reason to upgrade unless you really want the headphone amp. The active gain section is apparently the same, ("Nexus"), except its tweaked to work with the new, higher voltage power supply. I'd wait for measurements before making a decision.
 
As I would only look for preamps that also have EQ, I'd say this is the best preamp:


 
As I would only look for preamps that also have EQ, I'd say this is the best preamp

EQ is really a must for in-room sound optimisation. It is also on my wishlist for when I've fulfilled my 'analog volume attenuation requirement in a simple 2-in 1-out balanced pre-amp' need.

Volume attenuation with this DAC/pre-amp/EQ device is digital though. Although it might be 'fixable' with a firmware update, which remains to be confirmed by OP, there's been a bad experience with digital volume control with the RME DAC in this thread:
 
I use a Palmer Monicon. It offers both balanced and unbalanced IO, the knob feels pleasant and it is well built. The mute and mono functions are also quite convenient.
 
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