Technics SL1200GR2 with VM740ML cart.... which ADC and phono stage?

[Allsop]

Well I got the Rega Fono Mini and plugged in my Carbon P1 output into it and with the level knob almost off the distortion was unbearable. Yet plugging the carbon direct into the Behringer UCA222 it was listenable but back to my original issue of peaks being clipped.

Needless to say the Rega fono is being sold. Really thought it would have sorted it out.

 

[somebodyelse]

First mention of Carbon P1 in this thread, so not sure exactly what you're doing. Peaks being clipped seems like a 'too much gain' issue, at least for the UCA222 which has a relatively low maximum input level of 1.2V.

 

[Allsop]

First mention of Carbon P1 in this thread, so not sure exactly what you're doing. Peaks being clipped seems like a 'too much gain' issue, at least for the UCA222 which has a relatively low maximum input level of 1.2V.

My original reason for buying a Technics was to replace an issue I was having with my Rega P1 Plus turntable whereby the line output was too loud.

It was the Rega Fono mini that was distorted when plugged into the P1 Plus.

UCA222 was always fine sound wise, just no volume knob to control the P1 Plus

 

[WDeranged]

My original reason for buying a Technics was to replace an issue I was having with my Rega P1 Plus turntable whereby the line output was too loud.

It was the Rega Fono mini that was distorted when plugged into the P1 Plus.

UCA222 was always fine sound wise, just no volume knob to control the P1 Plus

The RIAA preamp in the P1 Plus is always on so plugging it into a Fono Mini is going to sound terrible. You're getting RIAA twice in a row. I had a P1 Plus a few years ago but when I realised that I was stuck with the internal preamp I sent it back.

I suspect your Behringer can't handle the gain coming from the P1 Plus. I'd look for a better USB interface.

 

[antcollinet]

Parks Waxwing (thread available on ASR).

Seconded. Captures to 24/96 and outputs on Toslink. A simple and cheap Toslink to USB and you have a full capture solution - together with all the other functionality of the waxwing, including real time noise minimisation.

 

[Allsop]

The RIAA preamp in the P1 Plus is always on so plugging it into a Fono Mini is going to sound terrible. You're getting RIAA twice in a row. I had a P1 Plus a few years ago but when I realised that I was stuck with the internal preamp I sent it back.

I suspect your Behringer can't handle the gain coming from the P1 Plus. I'd look for a better USB interface.

yes exactly and this is how ive ended up deciding to infact just replace the table instead

 

[WDeranged]

yes exactly and this is how ive ended up deciding to infact just replace the table instead

I went with a normal Planar 1 and Zen Phono. It's a reasonably cheap combo and sounds great. You might still end up getting distortion with that Behringer though. I don't think it's the right interface for the job.

 

[Allsop]

I went with a normal Planar 1 and Zen Phono. It's a reasonably cheap combo and sounds great. You might still end up getting distortion with that Behringer though. I don't think it's the right interface for the job.

I am going to go for this waxwing, Just morbid cuiriosity if the Behringer works I suspect not directly.

It worked fine when I had a DJ setup (techincs x 2 and a mixer) but I was able to adjust how hot the signal was going into it. It is a good device and cheap when you can adjust and dont mind 48khz limit

 

[WDeranged]

I am going to go for this waxwing, Just morbid cuiriosity if the Behringer works I suspect not directly.

It worked fine when I had a DJ setup (techincs x 2 and a mixer) but I was able to adjust how hot the signal was going into it. It is a good device and cheap when you can adjust and dont mind 48khz limit

The Waxwing is great but it is a digital preamp. You'd be digitising the signal twice if you record using the analog outs into your Behringer. The Waxwing does have digital out which would let you get the purest transfer, if you had an interface with a digital input that is.

 

[Allsop]

The Waxwing is great but it is a digital preamp. You'd be digitising the signal twice if you record using the analog outs into your Behringer. The Waxwing does have digital out which would let you get the purest transfer, if you had an interface with a digital input that is.

Yes i am going to go Technics > BJC LC-1 Stereo Audio Cables > Waxwing SPDIF > Hifime UR23 SPDIF Optical to USB converter

That finally should get me as close as possible to a good rip to WAV for me to use in DJ sets on Laptop

 

[WDeranged]

Yes i am going to go Technics > BJC LC-1 Stereo Audio Cables > Waxwing SPDIF > Hifime UR23 SPDIF Optical to USB converter

That finally should get me as close as possible to a good rip to WAV for me to use in DJ sets on Laptop

That should give you a really solid needledropping platform. Which Technics are you getting?

 

[Allsop]

That should give you a really solid needledropping platform. Which Technics are you getting?

Awesome, it has been a long road but an interesting one to get a good setup!

SL1200GR2 from Ebay

Technics SL 1200 GR2 Turntable | eBay

Technics SL 1200GR2.

www.ebay.co.uk

 

[GXAlan]

Parks Waxwing with a SPDIF RECORDER for a premium result

This for a convenient one

Amazon.com

 

[Allsop]

Parks Waxwing with a SPDIF RECORDER for a premium result

This for a convenient one

Amazon.com

yeah that would have done the job im sure for a hell of a lot less cost but Im really wanting to get the best rip possible (within a sensible budget nothing crazy like a 6K ADC) but thanks for posting that, probably would have sounded fine with my Rega P1

 

[GXAlan]

wanting to get the best rip possible (within a sensible budget nothing crazy like a 6K ADC)

Oh, then the Waxwing with a SPDIF recorder is your answer.

The Korg is about a good interface, low risk of ground loops and is USB powered so it’s easy. Recording performance is fine. This is a loopback of the DAC and you can see the DS-DAC-100 which uses the same chip isn’t that great.

 

[AaronJ]

The Waxwing is great but it is a digital preamp. You'd be digitising the signal twice if you record using the analog outs into your Behringer. The Waxwing does have digital out which would let you get the purest transfer, if you had an interface with a digital input that is.

Is digitizing twice documented to negatively affect the final analog signal in any way?

 

[WDeranged]

Is digitizing twice documented to negatively affect the final analog signal in any way?

I can't imagine it really matters when digitizing vinyl.

 

[pogo]

Waxwing SPDIF > Hifime UR23 SPDIF Optical to USB converter

That's my recording/measurement setup too
The USB converter should arrive today.

I connected the Waxwing via an optical connection. My remote Bluesound HUB forwards the 96/24 signal to my NAD M33.
The power supply for the Waxwing currently runs via the HUB. When I get the chance, I'll power the Waxwing and HUB with a battery. This option and the optical signal connection mean that interference can be prevented as far as possible.

 

[antcollinet]

My original reason for buying a Technics was to replace an issue I was having with my Rega P1 Plus turntable whereby the line output was too loud.

It was the Rega Fono mini that was distorted when plugged into the P1 Plus.

UCA222 was always fine sound wise, just no volume knob to control the P1 Plus

There is no point getting a table with built in pre amp - and then trying to use it with an external phone pre. That will never work.

Just use a standard preamp, rather than a phone preamp to get volume control. Or even just a passive volume control.

 

[antcollinet]

Is digitizing twice documented to negatively affect the final analog signal in any way?

No - in fact someone here has provided files of 7 or 8 generations of digital ADC TO DAC loops without audible degradation.