Technics SL 1210GR2 Turntable

[Petrushka]

No, I don't watch videos of platters spinning and mine doesn't do that so never even crossed my mind to go looking for defective production items. I wouldn't spend again on a tt anyways, my Technics is still fine almost 40 years into it.

There are so many copies of the 1200.

Clunky cuing?

 

[Chrispy]

There are so many copies of the 1200.

Clunky cuing?

You saying the videos are of AudioTechnica units or the other clones? Yeah, don't get the clunky cuing thing myself....

 

[Petrushka]

You saying the videos are of AudioTechnica units or the other clones? Yeah, don't get the clunky cuing thing myself....

I don’t see any defects in mine. I love the cueing.

 

[Chrispy]

I don’t see any defects in mine. I love the cueing.

My cuing needs some servicing but still functions adequately.

 

[NoMoFoNo]

No, I don't watch videos of platters spinning and mine doesn't do that so never even crossed my mind to go looking for defective production items. I wouldn't spend again on a tt anyways, my Technics is still fine almost 40 years into it.

Uh huh.

 

[Chrispy]

Uh huh.

Eh?

 

[NoMoFoNo]

There are plenty of vids just like this:

That's the platter on a $2000+ Technics GR model from this year.

It's one thing to be a Technics honk but it's another to deny reality.

 

[Chrispy]

There are plenty of vids just like this:

That's the platter on a $2000+ Technics GR model from this year.

It's one thing to be a Technics honk but it's another to deny reality.

First I've heard of such is in this thread about the various models you refer to, but like I said, have no reason to look for such either. It's a shame if there's a lot of those out there, tho. It just seemed to broad a brush from what I read here.

 

[mustang_flht]

Hi,
So, which one has the platter that makes the most waves? The Technics from 1:50 or the Continuum Caliburn from 9:16.
For me the machining quality of the platter is identical, I'm not talking about the intrinsic quality of the turntable, everyone knows that the Caliburn is a fantastic high-end. No one will come and say all year long that the Caliburn's platter also oscillates. Many turntables give this impression, of an intoxicating platter, without the information leaking constantly on the net and without it harming their sound quality.

NB: for the Caliburn, don't look at the black disc, but at the chrome platter, it oscillates more than that of the 1200G presented in this video: it's factual

 

[ObjectiveSubjectivist]

And what is this?

The first stage of Technics’ new generation of direct drive turntables with an improved motor-drive circuit centered on the newly developed ΔΣ-Drive (Delta Sigma Drive)

Some form of ulra low distortion precision waveform drive derived from power DACs? Or sophisticated feedback controlling the drive system/coils? Or just a well-used marketing moniker?

edit: I went off to have a dig and yes, I was on the right track:

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https://au.mouser.com/ProductDetail/Renesas-Electronics/R5F104LGAFBV0?qs=ZVKuL1Ob8AvyFZmqXiBkYg%3D%3D

Audiophiles won't like it
DELTA SIGMA

 

[NoMoFoNo]

I'll admit to being a tiny bit harsh on Technics, although it's less about Technics than it is the new wave of Technics Bro types who have basically taken over the turntable forums I frequent. Maybe it's turnabout being fair play for the British Linn bros from an earlier era, but Technics honks have become an onerous force IMO.

Having said that, the two things that have kept me from buying a Technics have been the platter and the crappy arm lift mechanism. One of the absolute imperatives for me is a platter that turns so uniformly that I can scarcely tell it's rotating, or which creates an image of absolute symmetry in motion. It's not easy to make those pyramid-sided platter sides with rows of dots create that impression. The machining and coupling with the main bearing must be precise and I see too many Technics decks that have that wandering effect, even if the top of the platter is flat while spinning.

Lastly, for @mustang_flht thanks for that video as well. BOTH of those machines have wandering/wobbly looking platters. That's the $4000+ G model on the Technics side and that platter should be perfect, beyond perfect for that money. Further, I cannot imagine accepting the platter on that Caliburn. No way in hell. I'm not sure what those machines cost but the appearance of that platter absolutely blows.

 

[JeffS7444]

Since I don’t know a lot about different direct drive motors, I will ask what is so bad about the Hanpin motors versus the Technics motors? If one looks at the overall package comparison between the Denon 3000NE and the Technics - tonearm, motor drive, and function - which one wins?

Comparing SL1200 Mk II versus AT-LP120USB, Technics is spinning a more massive platter, torque is much higher, and recovery time for something dragging down the rotational speed is basically instantaneous. Too bad I did not have both tables on hand at the same time for direct sonic comparisons, but listened to by itself, the AT-LP120USB sounds okay.

 

[morillon]

Hi,
So, which one has the platter that makes the most waves? The Technics from 1:50 or the Continuum Caliburn from 9:16.
For me the machining quality of the platter is identical, I'm not talking about the intrinsic quality of the turntable, everyone knows that the Caliburn is a fantastic high-end. No one will come and say all year long that the Caliburn's platter also oscillates. Many turntables give this impression, of an intoxicating platter, without the information leaking constantly on the net and without it harming their sound quality.

NB: for the Caliburn, don't look at the black disc, but at the chrome platter, it oscillates more than that of the 1200G presented in this video: it's factual

I don't quite understand, language barrier... this gentleman who seems to have serious hearing problems given his way of "yelling" is asking for advice on which one to choose? (but it doesn't really matter in this case....)

 

[Quando]

Measurement of the Technics 1200GR2 turntable taken with a smartphone, placed evenly above the platter axis.




Zmierzono ten talerz który widać na filmie:

 

[morillon]

Measurement of the Technics 1200GR2 turntable taken with a smartphone, placed evenly above the platter axis.




Zmierzono ten talerz który widać na filmie:

I recognize that this mesurezments of wf are impressive, even their old stars will do less well it seems to me... !
I suspect that one can hardly do much better.
or that is useful given the remaining tolerances of this "support" (?).
(and yet I am sensitive to this subject..)
(but that is also a bit important, the object and their arms does not make me dream )

 

[Quando]

HiFI News Side B Track 7 Test Signal - 20Hz- 20 kHz Band Sweep

Technics 1200GR2 + AT-OC9XSH > Ortofon T30 > NAD 1155 MM Phono > NAD 1155 Audio Out > Focusrite Clarett+ 2pre : WAV 16 bit-44.1 kHz
NAD 1155 INFRA FILTER: OFF

Audacity:
RMS test signal: -12.66 dB
Peak of unwanted resonance (8Hz): - 45.4 dB

Peak of unwanted resonance (in the range up to 20 Hz) is (45.4 dB - 12.66 dB) 32.74 dB below RMS test signal

Very good result (good tonearm + good cartridge) not always the peak of unwanted resonance is so low below RMS test sample.

 

[Quando]

I recognize that this mesurezments of wf are impressive, even their old stars will do less well it seems to me... !
I suspect that one can hardly do much better.
or that is useful given the remaining tolerances of this "support" (?).
(and yet I am sensitive to this subject..)
(but that is also a bit important, the object and their arms does not make me dream )

If they improved the external finish of the turntable platter and the fit of the motor axis with the platter opening, it would be an even better turntable.

 

[Balle Clorin]

HiFI News Side B Track 7 Test Signal - 20Hz- 20 kHz Band Sweep

Technics 1200GR2 + AT-OC9XSH > Ortofon T30 > NAD 1155 MM Phono > NAD 1155 Audio Out > Focusrite Clarett+ 2pre : WAV 16 bit-44.1 kHz
NAD 1155 INFRA FILTER: OFF

Audacity:
RMS test signal: -12.66 dB
Peak of unwanted resonance (8Hz): - 45.4 dB

Peak of unwanted resonance (in the range up to 20 Hz) is (45.4 dB - 12.66 dB) 32.74 dB below RMS test signal

Very good result (good tonearm + good cartridge) not always the peak of unwanted resonance is so low below RMS test sample.

Seems to be significant arm or headshell resonance (or record bump) at 10 sec and close beyond 13 and 14 too. Could you try to import the file in REW and plot, to avoid the ragged Audacity frequency response.
Fantastic speed stability!

 

[Quando]

Seems to be significant arm or headshell resonance at 10 sec and close beyond 13 and 14 too. Could you try to import the file in REW and plot, to avoid the ragged Audacity frequency response.
Fantastic speed stability!

This is not head resonance, not tonearm resonance, the test record has slight damage in these places.

 

[morillon]

If they improved the external finish of the turntable platter and the fit of the motor axis with the platter opening, it would be an even better turntable.

It's really their expertise in servo/motor that is HDG... "a new reference on this point" (not too crazy in cost)
if they offered these solutions in OEM, enthusiasts or brands more focused on THDG machining etc. could certainly do remarkable things...
(how many poles does this motor have? and weight of the plate?)
(just for example
https://www.brinkmann-audio.de/main.php?prod=bardo&lang=en
or oasis..
(in their defense, DIN measurement side...certainly on disk...))