Technical Dilemma: Ultra-Nearfield Club Simulation & DSP Limits (iLoud Pro vs. ADAM D3V)

[staticV3]

We do.

Their speakers measure fine,, especially at their price point.

https://www.0db.co.kr/REVIEW_0DB/5784403

A collection of loudspeakers measurements

www.spinorama.org

Those are measurements of the MTM MKII, not the Micro Pro.

 

[Berwhale]

How do you have the MR5's setup on your desk? A picture would be useful.

I have the iLoud MTMs on adapted monitor arms, so they don't take up any desk space at all. They look like this...

(there is also a Presonus Sub8 under the desk and this is a 34" UWQHD screen for reference)

 

[staticV3]

Julian, do you happen to know if there is an official measurement or review date set for the iLoud Micro Monitor Pro?

Currently, both of these monitors are being highly praised by various YouTube channels, and I believe many people in the community are stuck between these two options. If the iLoud Micro Pro gets the Klippel treatment as well, it would be incredibly beneficial for everyone. Since there is so much hype but zero independent data right now, your measurement would be the ultimate guide for those trying to make this exact decision.

I'm not sure which Julian you're referring to. My name is not Julian.

I do not have access to a Klippel NFS, nor the iLoud Pro, so if at some point someone posts measurements, they will not be my measurements.

I do not currently know of any plans to make Klippel NFS measurements of the iLoud Micro Pro.

 

[Thick]

Both are fine, the drivers are both tiny, so centre to centre distance is equally tiny.

Asking LLMs questions or using it to correct your English are fine, or even use it to translate from your native language, but please don't let it rewrite your entire posts, the style is extremely off putting.



We do.

Their speakers measure fine,, especially at their price point.

https://www.0db.co.kr/REVIEW_0DB/5784403

A collection of loudspeakers measurements

www.spinorama.org

Wait a second, I checked the 0db link thoroughly and those measurements actually belong to the iLoud MTM, not the new iLoud Micro Monitor Pro.

I think there’s a bit of a misunderstanding here. While the MTM measures fine, my original dilemma remains: we have solid 3rd party Klippel data for the Adam D3V, but the iLoud Micro Pro is still an 'unmeasured mystery' in terms of independent, high-resolution analysis.

 

[Thick]

How do you have the MR5's setup on your desk? A picture would be useful.

I have the iLoud MTMs on adapted monitor arms, so they don't take up any desk space at all. They look like this...

(there is also a Presonus Sub8 under the desk and this is a 34" UWQHD screen for reference)

View attachment 524222

Unfortunately, I’ve already sent the MR5s back.

 

[Thick]

I'm not sure which Julian you're referring to. My name is not Julian.

I do not have access to a Klippel NFS, nor the iLoud Pro, so if at some point someone posts measurements, they will not be my measurements.

I do not currently know of any plans to make Klippel NFS measurements of the iLoud Micro Pro.

I apologize for the confusion regarding the name!

 

[kharan]

Wait a second, I checked the 0db link thoroughly and those measurements actually belong to the iLoud MTM, not the new iLoud Micro Monitor Pro.

I think there’s a bit of a misunderstanding here. While the MTM measures fine, my original dilemma remains: we have solid 3rd party Klippel data for the Adam D3V, but the iLoud Micro Pro is still an 'unmeasured mystery' in terms of independent, high-resolution analysis.

Those are measurements of the MTM MKII, not the Micro Pro.

We have several measurements, and they all show the same design philosophy. The Micro Pro is probably more of the same with more limited SPL and none of the MTM issues.

 

[Thick]

We have several measurements, and they all show the same design philosophy. The Micro Pro is probably more of the same with more limited SPL and none of the MTM issues.

Since both the Adam D3V and the iLoud Micro Monitor Pro are receiving massive praise across YouTube and various forums right now, there is a lot of hype but a significant lack of objective data for comparison.

While the D3V is already well-documented with Klippel NFS measurements, the iLoud Pro remains a mystery in terms of independent, high-resolution analysis. If you (or anyone with the necessary equipment) could perform a Klippel NFS test on the iLoud Micro Pro, it would be an incredible service to the community.

I believe such a technical comparison would be the ultimate deciding factor for many potential buyers who are looking for verified performance before committing to a purchase.

 

[kemmler3D]

I would just concur that the crossover point is not something to think about too closely here. They use different types of tweeter so it's an apples to oranges comparison in terms of directivity or driver summing. And as another user mentioned the drivers are all small and close together anyway.

If it were me I'd go with the D3V and exchange for the iloud if you don't like them.

 

[Thick]

I would just concur that the crossover point is not something to think about too closely here. They use different types of tweeter so it's an apples to oranges comparison in terms of directivity or driver summing. And as another user mentioned the drivers are all small and close together anyway.

If it were me I'd go with the D3V and exchange for the iloud if you don't like them.

I agree with your point about the crossover and the tweeter differences. Since the drivers are so small and close together in an ultra-nearfield setup, it probably won't be the main deciding factor anyway.

While starting with the D3V is definitely the logical and safe route, if there aren't going to be any independent Klippel NFS tests for the iLoud Micro Pro in the short term, my only real option left is to visit the local dealers and listen to both of them in person using my own reference tracks. I guess it's time to let my ears do the judging.

 

[RobL]

I have iLoud Micro Pros, but am using them with the iLoud sub. I can give you a couple of measurements, though I’m not sure they’ll be helpful to you.
This is the ARC X corrected response:

This is my verification MMM measurement at MLP from REW:

 

[Thick]

I have iLoud Micro Pros, but am using them with the iLoud sub. I can give you a couple of measurements, though I’m not sure they’ll be helpful to you.
This is the ARC X corrected response:View attachment 524264

This is my verification MMM measurement at MLP from REW:
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Thank you for the graphs, but I don't really know how to interpret them. Have you personally listened to the Adam D3V? Can you share your thoughts on how the two monitors actually sound?

 

[RobL]

Thank you for the graphs, but I don't really know how to interpret them. Have you personally listened to the Adam D3V? Can you share your thoughts on how the two monitors actually sound?

I haven’t heard D3V’s, sorry. I can tell you that I had a pair of 8361A’s before I got these iLouds, and they sound extremely close in the nearfield. The Genelec’s REW measurement was this:

With the sub, the iLouds have very similar extension and tonality. The Genelec’s would play cleaner to much higher SPL of course but at reasonable levels in near field I think I would have difficulty in a blind test between the two set ups.

 

[Thick]

I haven’t heard D3V’s, sorry. I can tell you that I had a pair of 8361A’s before I got these iLouds, and they sound extremely close in the nearfield. The Genelec’s REW measurement was this:
View attachment 524278

With the sub, the iLouds have very similar extension and tonality. The Genelec’s would play cleaner to much higher SPL of course but at reasonable levels in near field I think I would have difficulty in a blind test between the two set ups.

Comparing them to the 8361A is a massive compliment to the iLoud's DSP and tonality! However, you mentioned using them with a sub. Since I'm trying to avoid the phase alignment issues of 2.1 setups in a small room, I plan to run them completely on their own (2.0) for Minimal Deep Tech. Have you tried pushing them full-range without the sub? How does the 3-inch driver handle the deep bass transients before DSP compression kicks in?

 

[RobL]

I did have them for a while before I got the sub, I don’t know that you would be happy playing deep bass tracks on them. On their own, they fall of a cliff below 50hz. I’d imagine the D3V’s do as well. Port chuffing would also be a concern with deep bass at higher levels (maybe >75dB?).
With the sub they are crossed at 80hz and they behave well up to maybe 95dB @ 1m…just guessing, I haven’t actually investigated that.

 

[Thick]

I did have them for a while before I got the sub, I don’t know that you would be happy playing deep bass tracks on them. On their own, they fall of a cliff below 50hz. I’d imagine the D3V’s do as well. Port chuffing would also be a concern with deep bass at higher levels (maybe >75dB?).
With the sub they are crossed at 80hz and they behave well up to maybe 95dB @ 1m…just guessing, I haven’t actually investigated that.

In terms of sound character, I am looking for something that mimics an average club PA system (not in SPL/loudness, but in texture), but I have two main fears:

1. I'm afraid the iLoud's ported design will start "chuffing" or audibly compressing/choking when those heavy Minimal sub-basses hit. I feel like the Adam D3V's passive radiators might handle the low-end more gracefully without hitting that mechanical limit.
2. However, I'm terrified that the Adam D3V's ribbon tweeters will sound too hi-fi. I don't want to get obsessed with sweet, shiny micro-details in my room, only to be completely disappointed when I play the track in an average club and those details disappear.

I don't want a flattering speaker; I want one that translates the raw, dry club energy. Between the fear of iLoud's port noise/compression and the D3V's overly polite/detailed ribbon tweeters, which monitor tells the 'ugly truth' better for club translation? Would love to hear your thoughts!

 

[RobL]

Have you considered selling your ARC Studio and buying an iLoud sub to use with your existing monitors? The sub basically has the ARC Studio built into it and integrates itself pretty seamlessly with any monitor. The ARC X software calculates time of flight delays to the main listening position for the sub and monitors to take care of any phase worries you have. I think otherwise your going to be missing a big chunk of the bottom octave with either of the mini monitors your considering. It’s a small sub, but way more than enough output for a near-field set up.