Tcl televisions

[Koeitje]

Also note that both TVs have pretty poor viewing angles.

Its because LCD tv's tend to use PVA panels which have pretty bad viewing angles. You could use IPS panels, and some TV's do, but then your black levels (and contrast ratio) take a major hit.

 

[theBruce]

Compared to other LCDs yes, but don't put them next to an OLED. If you care about performance in a dark or dimmed room there is no contest. But if you barely or never watch tv like that it doesn't matter. For me its simply not an option. The only LCD tv I'd consider would need a mini LCD display at the minimum, TCL has one coming up but it starts at 85".

If you have never seen an OLED in a dark room you won't know what you are missing though, so if you are dead set on getting an LCD then don't go look at an OLED in a dark room.

I have a 83” Sony OLED A90J, absolutely hated it, much too dark, even in a room with the lights turned off, black out curtains closed, it was still hard to make out what was going on for certain shows, here in Florida, absolutely useless to watch in the daytime, yes I could keep the curtains closed, but then would feel like a shut in.

The last episode of Obi Wan, certain episodes of GOT, could not make out what was going on, that TV is now in one of my Guest Rooms.

Extremely happier with the LED.

 

[Chromatischism]

I have a 83” Sony OLED A90J, absolutely hated it, much too dark, even in a room with the lights turned off, black out curtains closed, it was still hard to make out what was going on for certain shows, here in Florida, absolutely useless to watch in the daytime, yes I could keep the curtains closed, but then would feel like a shut in.

The last episode of Obi Wan, certain episodes of GOT, could not make out what was going on, that TV is now in one of my Guest Rooms.

This is a calibration issue in conjunction with the content you are watching. From what I understand, some of the shows encoded in Dolby Vision don't display correctly. You should use regular HDR whenever possible.

My A80K gets extremely bright in a dark room.

You can test this using YouTube HDR test clips or 4K UHD movie discs. They'll look amazing if you're set up correctly. Better than any LCD.

 

[Snarfie]

Got a TCL 50C636 Qled januari 2023 bought really good image an just 68 watt/h energie consumption setting the brightness only on 65% which is sharp enough. This TCL is exceptional low in energy consumption. Compared to the former Panasonic plasma tv 280 watt/h the TCL runs almost in standby pricewise

 

[Koeitje]

I have a 83” Sony OLED A90J, absolutely hated it, much too dark, even in a room with the lights turned off, black out curtains closed, it was still hard to make out what was going on for certain shows, here in Florida, absolutely useless to watch in the daytime, yes I could keep the curtains closed, but then would feel like a shut in.

The last episode of Obi Wan, certain episodes of GOT, could not make out what was going on, that TV is now in one of my Guest Rooms.

Extremely happier with the LED.

In a light room I can see you having those issues due to reflections (LCD suffer from that a little less), but in a completely dark room its a calibration or setup issue for sure. Are you sure you have it in one the movie/cinema mode?

Also remember that some movies or tv shows are simply that dark. For example, that famous night battle episode in GoT was just too dark on any screen.

 

[Pareto Pragmatic]

I would just go with the recommended calibration settings on the rtings. If pro calibration settings needed, I wonder how much that would cost.

generally $300-600 usd is what I have seen for cost.

On Amazon the QM851G is 1800.00and the QM751GIS 1100.00.

That means that the QM851G price is 63% higher that the QM751G.

As a general rule, I think 2x the cost gives you some improvement, 3x cost gives you big improvements.

You want a percent? If the 75 gets you to 80% of the "perfect" picture for you, the 85 will get you maybe 90% of perfect if you are lucky. Spend $3k and you might be up to 95%. That estimate is worth exactly what you paid for it.

Having just bought a TCL, the general knock is that they tend to be a bit red out of the box. But dialing that down if it is an issue is easy.

 

[theBruce]

In a light room I can see you having those issues due to reflections (LCD suffer from that a little les), but in a completely dark room its a calibration or setup issue for sure.

Who wants to keep watching in a totally dark room all the time, there is something called daylight that people enjoy, why have a Television that limits you to only a few hours before going to bed.

I watch TV during the day ( retired at age 52, now 5 years ago), I refuse to do so with the curtains closed all the time.

That is the problem with OLED, certain times of the day affect the viewing quality, no such limitations with the LED, day/night, great picture.

Are you sure you have it in one the movie/cinema mode?

I tried it in all formats, that last episode of Obi Wan was brutal, the light saber colors were great, but that was all I could make out on the Sony A90J.

That same episode looks great on the LED, can make out everything , still has great black levels, so a very detailed picture, where I can see what is going on.

Also remember that some movies or tv shows are simply that dark. For example, that famous night battle episode in GoT was just too dark on any screen.

Looks great on the TCL.

 

[Dovydas]

New OLED models near black handling is much better and it's not an issue anymore. Also watching OLED during daytime is better experience than watching LCD because of the higher contrast.

P.S. famous GoT night scene is not a screen problem, but on set lighting. It was discussed a lot in the filmmakers community.

 

[Koeitje]

Who wants to keep watching in a totally dark room all the time, there is something called daylight that people enjoy, why have a Television that limits you to only a few hours before going to bed.

You just close thin curtains to stop the harsh light and it will still be light in your room. Just kills the reflections. With both LCD and OLED you can't see shit in the dark areas if your room is bright. But you don't have to for most content.

I watch TV during the day ( retired at age 52, now 5 years ago), I refuse to do so with the curtains closed all the time.

That is the problem with OLED, certain times of the day affect the viewing quality, no such limitations with the LED, day/night, great picture.

Its the same issue with LCD. LCD viewing quality during the day is 80%, in a dimmed room its 40% and in a dark room 10%. OLED is 70% during the day, 100% in a dimmed or dark room. If you only watch during the day then LCD is the right choice for you, any other situation it isn't.

I tried it in all formats, that last episode of Obi Wan was brutal, the light saber colors were great, but that was all I could make out on the Sony A90J.

That same episode looks great on the LED, can make out everything , still has great black levels, so a very detailed picture, where I can see what is going on.

Ok, that is 100% a settings issue on the Sony. No issue on my older LG OLED (Sony uses LG panels).

Looks great on the TCL.

No it doesn't . The black levels are literally crushed in that episode, trust me I checked. There is zero detail in the darkest scenes even if you blow up the brightness. It was also the intention of the creators that you couldn't see shit.

 

[voodooless]

No issue on my older LG OLED (Sony uses LG panels).

I have zero issues with watching OLED at night or day with my LG G1, now 2 generations behind.

 

[Chromatischism]

Again, put one of those 4K HDR nature test videos on and you'll see the OLED is working splendidly.

Like this one.

Or this one.

 

[Dovydas]

Ok, that is 100% a settings issue on the Sony. No issue on my older LG OLED (Sony uses LG panels).

Sony uses Samsung paneles. It is QD-OLED, versus LG WOLED. At least new generations. Older generations might used LG.

 

[Petrushka]

Compared to other LCDs yes, but don't put them next to an OLED. If you care about performance in a dark or dimmed room there is no contest. But if you barely or never watch tv like that it doesn't matter. For me its simply not an option. The only LCD tv I'd consider would need a mini LCD display at the minimum, TCL has one coming up but it starts at 85".

If you have never seen an OLED in a dark room you won't know what you are missing though, so if you are dead set on getting an LCD then don't go look at an OLED in a dark room.

I saw a Hisense 65 inch “ULED” tv In Costco that blew me away, for $379. 60 Hz refresh.

The faster refresh model is about double the price.

 

[voodooless]

I saw a Hisense 65 inch “ULED” tv In Costco that blew me away, for $379. 60 Hz refresh.

I must say, about a year ago I saw a HiSense 65UXKQ in the store. The local dimming and black levels were pretty impressive for an LCD. Even the viewing angles weren't too bad on that one. But $379 is crazy for a 65" TV, though (the 65UXKQ one was about € 1600 at the time (it still is)).

 

[Koeitje]

Sony uses Samsung paneles. It is QD-OLED, versus LG WOLED. At least new generations. Older generations might used LG.

Older ones used LG for sure, because they were the only ones making panels for quite a while (apart from the very start, but I don't think Sony made any OLED tvs then).

I must say, about a year ago I saw a HiSense 65UXKQ in the store. The local dimming and black levels were pretty impressive for an LCD. Even the viewing angles weren't too bad on that one. But $379 is crazy for a 65" TV, though (the 65UXKQ one was about € 1600 at the time (it still is)).

Insides stores I think most LCDs look fine these days. The environment is just too bright to see the issues with the black levels and local dimming.

Again, put one of those 4K HDR nature test videos on and you'll see the OLED is working splendidly.

Like this one.

Or this one.

These also look great on an LCD. The real test is truly dark content with bright small objects.

This is more of a pure test, but you can see this happen in some SciFi movies. Will look like absolute ass on anything with local dimming .

 

[voodooless]

Insides stores I think most LCDs look fine these days. The environment is just too bright to see the issues with the black levels and local dimming.

Maybe, it for sure wasn't the best environment, but it wasn't a very bright store either.

This is more of a pure test, but you can see this happen in some SciFi movies. Will look like absolute ass on anything with local dimming .

They actually had something similar on screen, with tiny, bright highlights moving around. It still looked impressive with little to no blooming. Obviously, not OLED-impressive, but still, much, much better than I expected!

 

[Mr. Widget]

Sony uses Samsung paneles. It is QD-OLED, versus LG WOLED. At least new generations. Older generations might used LG.

In my opinion the video processing is often more important than the panels themselves. I have see identically set up Sonys and LGs and Sonys and Samsungs where we were comparing the Sony with the identical LG or Samsung panels. The Sony video processing creates a more fluid and lifelike depiction of motion and more natural looking contrast.

 

[Dovydas]

In my opinion the video processing is often more important than the panels themselves. I have see identically set up Sonys and LGs and Sonys and Samsungs where we were comparing the Sony with the identical LG or Samsung panels. The Sony video processing creates a more fluid and lifelike depiction of motion and more natural looking contrast.

I would suggest to watch few videos on HDTVTest youtube channel. I would say it's ASR for TVs You are right in general about video processing but not necessarily in this case. Sony QD-OLED TVs has a better color saturation in very bright areas. LG WOLED wins in near black handling and overall HDR brightness. Saying what you said about Sony it's the same as saying Marantz is more musical than Denon. Panasonic has best video processing, but unfortunately their top tier model is only 65 inch.

 

[Mr. Widget]

I would suggest to watch few videos on HDTVTest youtube channel. I would say it's ASR for TVs You are right in general about video processing but not necessarily in this case. Sony QD-OLED TVs has a better color saturation in very bright areas. LG WOLED wins in near black handling and overall HDR brightness. Saying what you said about Sony it's the same as saying Marantz is more musical than Denon. Panasonic has best video processing, but unfortunately their top tier model is only 65 inch.

I have made my comparisons standing a few feet away from the actual TVs after ISF calibration. I am not sure how you can measure what I am describing as it is a subjective perception of motion. As for contrast, that you probably can measure, but I am looking for what appears to me to be "natural looking" contrast and not necessarily the greatest range of perceptible contrast.

Just as some people may prefer a speaker with an upward tilted HF or jacked up LF response, I am sure there are those who prefer the punchy look of a hyper contrasty Samsung... as to the motion characteristics I am describing, to my eye at times there is an almost animation like character to motion in the LG and Samsung TVs.

 

[Pareto Pragmatic]

HiSense 65UXKQ i... But $379 is crazy for a 65" TV,

Mine (similar if not exact same model) lasted 2 months before going on the fritz. After weeks, a tech came and tried one thing, stripped it and destroyed it, and they sent me a check. And left me to dispose of it. To the credit of hisense, while they slow walked the warranty process, once they had their report from the tech the check came very quickly.

I found the picture on it to be meh. I think it was just too big for the tech employed. Fine for distance, but even a bit closer than we normally sit and it looked off.