- Oct 11, 2019
I’d like to see something like this reviewed: one of their higher-end active speakers:
This is a very perceptive statement, and a core tenet of IP policy that the layperson often fails to consider (in my opinion as a patent lawyer). A lot of accusations of "copying" do not rise to a threshold that would create a legal action, or at least financially justify pursuing legal action.If you want a well rounded enclosure with integrated wave guide cast in two halves in aluminium. You will have a really hard time not ending up with something looking like Genelec just as nailing together sheets of MDF at 90 degrees will look like a box.
Thanks to the small size and known "Finnish" design it shows quite a nice directivity, so with a bit of free PC EQ a decent good looking small low budget desktop solution with only direct competitor the also 3" IK Multimedia iLoud Micro Monitor, we shouldn't forget that a Genelec 8010 costs more than double.
It does look like a Peerless driver.Wow. A REAL PEERLESS woofer
I agree. HiVi has a huge catalog and has been around awhile.Hivi are a great manufacturer. And I like them. Some of their drivers and tweeters have been the best or best value of their time.
Many DIYers have used their products and they have measured and sounded well. Some examples are some of the best measuring of their time. Some, not as good.
These X series started around 2010 to 2011. Thats over a decade. What the hell do you guys expect?
Some of the genelecs are some of the best in the world. It's quite clear these X series are a cute little monitor, but they're a desktop fad, in comparison to Genelec professional monitors. However, not all genelecs have measured perfectly, but some have measured extremely well.
Lets not judge a company, nor all Chinese speakers manufacturers, by one inexpensive little example please. I am interested in science. And science needs to be impartial and unbiased. You need context and you need understanding. Stick your veiled-generalisations to the side, and start your critical thinking.
They've designed speakers that won CES awards in the US in the mid-2000s, and they created an anechoic chamber somewhere in the mid-2000s. We wish them to do better, and they may already have done.
We will likely see more of their products being measured if people sent them in for independent testing. Let's hope their newer products do a better job. They're released with measurements and plots, so it would be interesting to see whether they match up.
I'm glad to see this speaker measured.
I don't think this speaker looks like the genelec at all. It's egg shaped and was marketed that way. The stand, well that could be suspicious as they were released probably in similar times. Genelec has had a decade to do something if they wanted but I seriously don't think it's worth it for the stand.
I don't think hivi and genelec are really in the same marketplace. I like Genelec as well. Wish I could afford.
I'd like to see a pair of bibs on these actually.Looks like Stuart...
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It actually does look like BUT I can't find 8" SDS, only 6.5". However 3rd pic is 8" HDSIt does look like a Peerless driver
I haven't heard any with bass drivers under 8" with out a subwoofer (preferably 2) that are worth a hoot. That is not to say that they don't exist. But I haven't heard them, if they do exist. Yes, I am skeptical.Speakers with bass drivers under 5" are just pointless.
I haven't heard any with bass drivers under 8" with out a subwoofer (preferably 2) that are worth a hoot. That is not to say that they don't exist. But I haven't heard them, if they do exist. Yes, I am skeptical.
Even though my Dahlquist M-905's FR is 26 Hz - 20 KHz +-2 Db by themselves (running overEven my (IMO very good) 3-way active main L+R speakers with 8-inch woofers benefited tremendously when I added a rather modest 12-inch sealed-box subwoofer low-passed at 60Hz.
Jaguar Land Rover did successfully sue over the 'Land Wind' Evoque copy https://www.autoexpress.co.uk/land-rover/101369/land-rover-design-boss-wary-over-copycatsThere's also much thread misinformation about the difficulty of suing a Chinese company. You'd only sue them in China if Genelec has design patent registrations in China (doubt it). And as I demonstrated above, Genelec has US design patents, so it can sue in the US. It doesn't just have to sue Swan; it can sue the importer, the distributor, the seller (Amazon), etc. It can even sue in the ITC instead of Federal court.
Good point, though I don't see the "successfully" in the article.Jaguar Land Rover did successfully sue over the 'Land Wind' Evoque copy https://www.autoexpress.co.uk/land-rover/101369/land-rover-design-boss-wary-over-copycats
Suspect the money involved in the auto trade is several orders of magnitude higher than it is in the loudspeaker business though, so it's worth their while to pursue redress.