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SVS 3000 Micro Subwoofer (announced)

Maybe do some REW measurement also, don’t smooth it or upload the data? I mean if recording can show it, there’s no magic sound a mic can’t capture
As an amateur, I may need some advice on how to use REW for this. :D

I tried using the RTA window like I've done for MMM measurements and setting the averages to 0, but I'm not sure this is the right approach.
 
I don't get it, on real world the 3000 Micro is on 105dB territory like a champ, should I trust Brent Butterworth measurements ? They are least to say very unoptimistic, even being CEA-2010-A standard

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I don't this question was ever directly answered.

Without taking into account room gain, this sub has no useful output below 40Hz. 98dB SPL at 40Hz is around 80dB SPL for 1kHz in terms of equal loudness.

The standard measures max output until hitting a perceptual distortion limit. This is a peak, not an RMS measurement.

I think the SVS Micro 3000 is worth adding to any small system. Real depth will take much beefier sub.
 
Используя тестовый сигнал и приложение Spectroid, я настроил свой Sennheiser Ambeo Plus и SVS 3000 Micro. Я доволен результатом.
Вот настройки SVS 3000 Micro
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I have a simple question about placement of an sb3000 micro. I want to place kitty corner inside to the left, and behind my right main speaker, against a wall (main speakers are out a bit)

one of the the drivers of the 3000 micro would be firing towards a cabinet and the other would be firing towards a built in bookshelf about 1.5 feet away

It seems weird to have the drivers firing into a cabinet and the wall - but is it actually typical?

Thanks.
 
I don't think it will matter much. However, the micro is severely underpowered at lower frequencies. I don't see it as worthwhile.
 
I don't think it will matter much. However, the micro is severely underpowered at lower frequencies. I don't see it as worthwhile.

what´s worth it in that price tag?
 
what´s worth it in that price tag?
Do you need something small? Then you're SOL, because small doesn't make bass all that well, especially for subsonics. Willing to go big? Then Klipsch's RP line are almost constantly on sale and BY FAR the best values out there. Unless you NEED balanced inputs or more DSP control, they're 100% the way to go right now.


I have one of these in the garage. It's fantastic. Also total overkill.


Two of those would be amazing, but they cost almost as much as the 1400, and the 1400 is definitely superior. Two 1400s would be a lot of space. I've considered it, but whatever my room mode is, it's not bothering me.
 
Do you need something small? Then you're SOL, because small doesn't make bass all that well, especially for subsonics. Willing to go big? Then Klipsch's RP line are almost constantly on sale and BY FAR the best values out there. Unless you NEED balanced inputs or more DSP control, they're 100% the way to go right now.


I have one of these in the garage. It's fantastic. Also total overkill.


Two of those would be amazing, but they cost almost as much as the 1400, and the 1400 is definitely superior. Two 1400s would be a lot of space. I've considered it, but whatever my room mode is, it's not bothering me.

well, i use the sub for music only ... under 30hz there's almost no information.
So, i don´t need a monster sub and my 3000 micro worked really well (much better than the bookshelfs alone)
 
well, i use the sub for music only ... under 30hz there's almost no information.
So, i don´t need a monster sub and my 3000 micro worked really well (much better than the bookshelfs alone)
The lowest piano key is 27.5 hz. You don't need to love dub step to want bass. I experimented by cutting my sub off sharply at different frequencies then turning off the speakers to listen. There was almost always sound. I did this with classic rock and hip hop. I'd expect the same from classical.

I think powerful subs are mandatory.
 
The lowest piano key is 27.5 hz.
That may be technically true but it doesn't mean anything necessarily as far as capability of the playback system. For one, the low A on a piano is rarely used (I should know, I play piano). For another, even on a real piano you're often hearing more the harmonics of that low A than the actual fundamental. And anyways, as much as I like the piano why is the lowest note on the piano any kind of reference for anything? May as well suggest that we need to find the lowest fundamental of the biggest pipe organ in the world and all playback systems must be able to reproduce that fundamental at high SPLs or else why even bother... even if you don't ever listen to pipe organ music.

I'm not against subs at all, mind you. In fact I'd recommend them for just about anyone who values wants "hi-fi" (along with proper bass management and room correction). I do take umbrage with the proposition that big-ass subs that do high SPLs below 30Hz are somehow "mandatory" though. If that's your thing, that's cool. But you can certainly have a very good sounding system with more reasonable subs that don't dominate your living space.
 
A rather common instrument, the piano, goes below 30hz. Erin's Audio measured CEA2010A and has the Micro 3000 making only 75.8 db at 20 hz, 80.6 at 25, 85.3 at 31.5, and 93.9 at 40 hz. That's inadequate until about 40 hz, and unless you're doing some seriously quiet listening, you may as well pour the money into better speakers that will hit 40 hz without help, skipping the sub entirely.

No need to get a monster sub, but this tiny box doesn't impress me as being anywhere near worth the money. An SVS SB 2000 Pro will break 100db at 20 hz and not take up a bunch more space. Get an open box from BB for $650.

But if you can take the space hit, those Klipsch RP are amazing deals. I like monster subs. No need to run them hard, and when you want to pump up the bass for exercise, you just turn the sub up.
 
A rather common instrument, the piano, goes below 30hz. Erin's Audio measured CEA2010A and has the Micro 3000 making only 75.8 db at 20 hz, 80.6 at 25, 85.3 at 31.5, and 93.9 at 40 hz. That's inadequate until about 40 hz, and unless you're doing some seriously quiet listening, you may as well pour the money into better speakers that will hit 40 hz without help, skipping the sub entirely.

No need to get a monster sub, but this tiny box doesn't impress me as being anywhere near worth the money. An SVS SB 2000 Pro will break 100db at 20 hz and not take up a bunch more space. Get an open box from BB for $650.

But if you can take the space hit, those Klipsch RP are amazing deals. I like monster subs. No need to run them hard, and when you want to pump up the bass for exercise, you just turn the sub up.
Taking the OP’s position into account, they could satisfy the limited output below 35hz by positioning the subwoofer nearfield, and by adding a second. Don’t forget room gain adding 3-6db. That will not make up for lower sub-bass output, but when you add more than one sub in a corner or closer to a wall you get some benefit.

Having a 3000 micro, it punches above its size if you have aesthetic or space limitations. I can conceal it pretty easily.

They are expensive, but the small form factor is why they exist. Not meant to compete with something like the SB2000. That’s a big size difference. It’s a trade off some of us are forced to make (not without frustration).
 
They are expensive, but the small form factor is why they exist.
that's the core truth, and with the price tag in the small Kef (as an example) you can buy 2 svs with the benefits in smoothiest bass for all the room.
i think we cannot say "it's not worth it", because every product have a use case context, there's no "fit for everything".
 
well, i use the sub for music only ... under 30hz there's almost no information.
So, i don´t need a monster sub and my 3000 micro worked really well (much better than the bookshelfs alone)
Depending on your music preferences, you might be surprised by how much music actually contains significant sub-bass content. You’ll likely only truly notice it once you experience it. And once you do, there's a good chance you'll never want to go back.
 
Depending on your music preferences, you might be surprised by how much music actually contains significant sub-bass content. You’ll likely only truly notice it once you experience it. And once you do, there's a good chance you'll never want to go back.
i already experiencied that ... going from my bookshelfs to the sub :)
 
I want bass, but I don't want serious bass, and I want bookshelves, but I can't have bookshelves large enough to make bass, and yet I have room for a sub or two as long as they're tiny, and I have the budget to get bookshelves that would just get the job done themselves. It's a pretty narrow niche that these make sense for. I think most people who buy these won't realize what they're missing, and won't realize there are almost certainly better options.
 
I want bass, but I don't want serious bass, and I want bookshelves, but I can't have bookshelves large enough to make bass, and yet I have room for a sub or two as long as they're tiny, and I have the budget to get bookshelves that would just get the job done themselves. It's a pretty narrow niche that these make sense for. I think most people who buy these won't realize what they're missing, and won't realize there are almost certainly better options.
I'm sorry but that's a load of hooey logic that you've made up there. Bookshelves would have to be rather large to go low enough where you might consider not needing a subwoofer (unless one doesn't care about going under 40-50Hz, of course). Pretty much the size of a small subwoofer, in fact. Usually you're looking at rather large (and expensive) floorstanders to really get that kind of response. The main speakers have to be placed in particular locations, while subwoofers can be placed largely anywhere, including hidden under/behind furniture.

These smaller subwoofers are a popular product category because, imagine this, many people want a subwoofer that is relatively small. It's not a "narrow niche" in the least. And there are designs that do a quite adequate job of getting down even below 30Hz in that category, which the subwoofer under discussion actually does, thanks to things like DSP and using multiple drivers. Your definition of "better options" are very large boxes that simply may not be an option for many people in their living space.
 
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I’ve recently bought 2 3000 Micros and I find the bass output more than good enough. I am using them in a small room and I’ve used Magic Beans to EQ them on a Marantz AVR. I’ve got a UMIK1, I can do some REW measurements this weekend.

Some of my movie test tracks are the opening club scene in Blade and the Trex scene in Jurassic Park. I have no complaints about the bass performance, in fact I’m pleased with it.
 
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