Susvara vs HE1000se (vs Stealth)

[edahl]

Anyone with experience with 2-3 of these with care to share their experience? Obviously Stealth has hardly reached consumers, but I'm considering upgrading my HE1000se to Susvara, selling them for Stealth, or just keeping them and maybe getting the Stealth down the line for a totl closed back

 

[muslhead]

I have the HE1k V2 and have the Stealth on order.
As soon as i receive and can do a reasonable comparison, i will post my findings
I

 

[Red@]

Susvara all the way

 

[edahl]

Susvara all the way

Do you have anything more to say about your experience with these?

 

[Red@]

Do you have anything more to say about your experience with these?

To me they are incomparable to any other headphones. By I am no reviewer, so I don't yave the right words. You gotta test for yourself.
And the FR is perfect.

 

[muslhead]

I have the HE1k V2 and have the Stealth on order.
As soon as i receive and can do a reasonable comparison, i will post my findings
I

the V2's were my choice between the 2, by a mile.
At low to reasonable volumes, the stealth sound like an am radio. EQ helped but still didnt cut it.
At higher volumes, the two are very similar and i could not select a favorite. Each had their +'s and -'s but virtually indistinguishable to my ears. Both excellent
On to the susvara next

 

[Meller]

At low to reasonable volumes, the stealth sound like an am radio.

Oh! Come on! Really??

 

[preload]

the V2's were my choice between the 2, by a mile.
At low to reasonable volumes, the stealth sound like an am radio. EQ helped but still didnt cut it.
At higher volumes, the two are very similar and i could not select a favorite. Each had their +'s and -'s but virtually indistinguishable to my ears. Both excellent
On to the susvara next

I also had the HE1000V2 (and the V1). No comparison, I far prefer the Stealth in everything except for perhaps soundstage.

 

[HRTF_Enthusiast]

Susvara all the way

susvara is terrible

 

[edahl]

susvara is terrible

Okay?

 

[Red@]

susvara is terrible

Okay?

That was gonna be my reaction. But then I said why bother

 

[Red@]

Susvara. Has a a very good FR, if we are gonna dissmiss that then we should have this discussion in another forum.
A part from that it is agreed upon by all the community.
I din't know how you could qualify it by "terrible"

 

[HRTF_Enthusiast]

Susvara. Has a a very good FR, if we are gonna dissmiss that then we should have this discussion in another forum.
A part from that it is agreed upon by all the community.
I din't know how you could qualify it by "terrible"

If 100 high-q peaks and dips = good FR, we have very different standards

 

[Red@]

If 100 high-q peaks and dips = good FR, we have very different standards

Susvara has none of these. What are you talking about

 

[HRTF_Enthusiast]

Susvara has none of these. What are you talking about

 

[Red@]

(I will let pass that this is an older model in crins list. The newer model has better frequency around 2khz) but what I see is an amazin frequency strictly adhering to the target.

The from 8/10khz the fixture is not able to capture frequency, so it's random any way (and that is for all headphones).
So you present me one of the best measuring high end headphones, and you say is "terrible".
NB: even crin, from whom you took the chart is placing it on the top of his list, FR wise

 

[Red@]

Crinacle has no clue how to analyze frequency response. Below 8-10 kHz it's resonating all over the place. The headphone measures terribly, end of story.

Very convincing...

 

[charleski]

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The only element of any remote concern there is the null at 2kHz, but it's small and so narrow that it's unlikely to be of any consequence. The 12kHz peak may be an artifact of the fixture, as measurements become tricky over 10kHz, you'd need to listen for sibilance to see if it needs to be EQ'd out.

If you think the small wiggles are 'resonances' you're mistaken. This result is frankly better than that of the DCA Stealth, though it's tuned for a neutral bass rather than the Harman boost found on the DCA.

 

[HRTF_Enthusiast]

The only element of any remote concern there is the null at 2kHz, but it's small and so narrow that it's unlikely to be of any consequence. The 12kHz peak may be an artifact of the fixture, as measurements become tricky over 10kHz, you'd need to listen for sibilance to see if it needs to be EQ'd out.

If you think the small wiggles are 'resonances' you're mistaken. This result is frankly better than that of the DCA Stealth, though it's tuned for a neutral bass rather than the Harman boost found on the DCA.

 

[charleski]

Here’s an example of a headphone with a severe cancellation resonance at 2.8kHz. The sharp deviation in the FR matches anomalies in both the distortion and group delay plots.
Here’s an example of a resonance at 500Hz that’s less severe but will probably still have some audible impact. Again, we see anomalies at the same frequency in all three plots.
Defects like these can’t be corrected with EQ.

Some people continue to champion CSD plots, but they’re really hard to interpret, especially in isolation.