Superman 2025 Movie - worst ever!

[Mart68]

Of course I am, just not the schlock that was made in every decade. It seems you forgot about the garbage that was made back then. Go watch The Bellboy and the Playgirls and tell me with a straight face that it really shows the standards they had back then.

You are just recycling the same argument that I hear when people tell me today's music sucks. Its just old man yells at cloud nonsense.

Want some suggestions? Here's some:

• Gisaengchung
• The Sound of Metal
• Three Billboards Outside Ebbing, Missouri
• Whiplash
• A Separation
• Moonlight
• The Father
• Incendies
• Gone Girl
• The Florida Project
• The Lighthouse
• The Banshees of Inisherin
• Portrait of a Lady on Fire

I'd even argue that today more good movies are made than ever before simply because it is much cheaper to produce a movie.

Edit: I'd argue that the Lord of The Rings Trilogy is the best trilogy of all time. No three films come close.

Not seen many of those and those I have seen are just art house flicks, not 'Great films'.

Best Trilogy - the first 3 'Alien' films. LOTR is technically amazing but Jackson is a terrible director and I find those films unwatchable now. Too many liberties taken with the story, uneven tone, and the whole 'Gollum' thing is dragged out far too long.

 

[Mart68]

There's an old saying... the play is the same only the actors change. This applies to movies, as well as life in general really.

There are only so many types of story to tell.


JSmith

It's not the story but how you tell it that makes the film great.

I mean what's the story to 'Jaws? - a shark is eating people, three men go to kill it, they kill it. But it's one of the best films of all time.

 

[JSmith]

It's not the story but how you tell it that makes the film great.

Oh I don't disagree with that at all as a point.

I mean what's the story to 'Jaws? - a shark is eating people, three men go to kill it, they kill it. But it's one of the best films of all time.

Yeah Jaws was good and very popular at the time, but for me it would be a stretch to say one of the best of all time. It used the plot devices well to create suspense and panic in the audience, but as you say the story itself was rather bare. The good acting certainly helped there. On a side note Jaws is rather responsible for making people afraid of all sharks and making them think they hunt down humans in boats.


JSmith

 

[Keith_W]

Edit: I'd argue that the Lord of The Rings Trilogy is the best trilogy of all time. No three films come close.

And I would argue that you are dead wrong. LOTR was great, but nobody can seriously argue that it comes close to The Godfather. And if we are talking about trilogies, what about Toy Story. I recently watched it on a long flight and I cried. And I am a stone cold kind of person, I don't cry. There's just something about that trilogy that makes you realise all the things you must give up when you grow up.

 

[JSmith]

This is the only forum discussion about this movie I have read that is negative.


JSmith

 

[Mart68]

And I would argue that you are dead wrong. LOTR was great, but nobody can seriously argue that it comes close to The Godfather. And if we are talking about trilogies, what about Toy Story. I recently watched it on a long flight and I cried. And I am a stone cold kind of person, I don't cry. There's just something about that trilogy that makes you realise all the things you must give up when you grow up.

Not cried since I was a child but I know exactly what you mean about those Toy Story films. If something can tug at my heartstrings like that then it's got to be very cleverly written and put together.

Actually for me it was the second one with the plucky cowgirl. Still don't really know why, one of those things where its probably best not to go too deep.

 

[Koeitje]

I watch both Critical Drinker, Pitch Meeting and others - in moderation and at times, when in "need" of entertainment, to learn - and learning is not cherry-picking your favorites - I'm not taking anything as written in stone, I try to make my own opinion. And don't we all know how easily we're manipulated through our own journey through life?
Found a video with a different angle on Drinker, which seems fair and level-headed:

Not watching a racist, homophobic misogynist is cherry-picking? Is that being manipulated?

Not seen many of those and those I have seen are just art house flicks, not 'Great films'.

Best Trilogy - the first 3 'Alien' films. LOTR is technically amazing but Jackson is a terrible director and I find those films unwatchable now. Too many liberties taken with the story, uneven tone, and the whole 'Gollum' thing is dragged out far too long.

Ah, now we get to the core of the issue. You only consider big studio blockbusters as films, everything else is not worth your attention.

And while I consider Alien and Aliens some of the best movies ever made, Alien 3 is just not good enough to make it better than the LotR trilogy. Same goes for The Godfather trilogy, the third part is just not good enough. You can argue all you want about the LotR, but the standard it sets across all three films is higher than 99,99% of all movies ever created.

I do wonder about the uneven tone, it is the first time I hear someone saying that. If anything the trilogy is praised because it feels like one big movie (which is the result of it being shot in a single go).

And I would argue that you are dead wrong. LOTR was great, but nobody can seriously argue that it comes close to The Godfather. And if we are talking about trilogies, what about Toy Story. I recently watched it on a long flight and I cried. And I am a stone cold kind of person, I don't cry. There's just something about that trilogy that makes you realise all the things you must give up when you grow up.

You are misunderstanding. I'm judging trilogies. In terms of quality of individual movies the The Godfather and The Godfather Part II slightly edge out the Lord of the Rings movies. But The Godfather Part III is just so incredibly mediocre that I just can't call it the best trilogy. The Toy Story trilogy is a strong one, but it doesn't quite reach the highs needed.

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This is the only forum discussion about this movie I have read that is negative.


JSmith

The average age on this website is fairly high. Which often results in "it used to be better" nostalgia.

 

[Mart68]

Ah, now we get to the core of the issue. You only consider big studio blockbusters as films, everything else is not worth your attention.

No. Absolutely not. Most big studio blockbusters are crap, some art house films are good. But a lot of films get made and I can't watch everything.

And while I consider Alien and Aliens some of the best movies ever made, Alien 3 is just not good enough to make it better than the LotR trilogy. Same goes for The Godfather trilogy, the third part is just not good enough. You can argue all you want about the LotR, but the standard it sets across all three films is higher than 99,99% of all movies ever created.

Yes Alien 3 is the weak spot but when I was thinking about the trilogy thing I couldn't actually think of one where there was not a weaker entry for at least one of the three films - which is why I rejected The Godfather as a contender.

LOTR does indeed feel like one long film - I once sat down to watch all three back to back to get that effect, my stamina failed about half way through.

The 'uneven tone' I mentioned is due to the knockabout humour which does not sit comfortable with the 'solemnity and grandeur' aspects. In my view that was just badly judged. It's even worse in 'The Hobbit' films. Do one or the other, both together just doesn't work.

Added to which, omitting the 'Scouring Of The Shire' from the final film was a huge error that demonstrated that whilst Jackson clearly loves the material he didn't really understand it. A fundamental of the entire LOTR work is that the past is the past, everything changes, and you can never go back to how it was. Soldiers returning from war are different people from those who set out, and the land they return to is not the same either.

This is why the book is set in a civilisation that is a thousand years past the height of its glory and full of ivy-covered ruins and crumbling statues.

Not a question of time or length of the film as there were plenty of tediously overlong scenes that could be cut down to make space for it.

 

[Sal1950]

Want some suggestions? Here's some:

• Gisaengchung
• The Sound of Metal
• Three Billboards Outside Ebbing, Missouri
• Whiplash
• A Separation
• Moonlight
• The Father
• Incendies
• Gone Girl
• The Florida Project
• The Lighthouse
• The Banshees of Inisherin
• Portrait of a Lady on Fire

??? I don't believe I ever heard of or seen a single one on your list.
Are these English language films?

 

[AdrianusG]

Of course I am, just not the schlock that was made in every decade. It seems you forgot about the garbage that was made back then. Go watch The Bellboy and the Playgirls and tell me with a straight face that it really shows the standards they had back then.

You are just recycling the same argument that I hear when people tell me today's music sucks. Its just old man yells at cloud nonsense.

Want some suggestions? Here's some:

• Gisaengchung
• The Sound of Metal
• Three Billboards Outside Ebbing, Missouri
• Whiplash
• A Separation
• Moonlight
• The Father
• Incendies
• Gone Girl
• The Florida Project
• The Lighthouse
• The Banshees of Inisherin
• Portrait of a Lady on Fire

I'd even argue that today more good movies are made than ever before simply because it is much cheaper to produce a movie.

Edit: I'd argue that the Lord of The Rings Trilogy is the best trilogy of all time. No three films come close.

Edit: I'd argue that the Lord of The Rings Trilogy is the best trilogy of all time. No three films come close.

Agree!

After that, the Batman Trilogy (Nolan), as far as we are taking about live action movies anyway.

 

[KenMasters]

??? I don't believe I ever heard of or seen a single one on your list.
Are these English language films?

I hope you’re joking.

There’s a lot of great cinema out there, every year there’s a handful of potential future classics and cult favorites - it’s just that the what, where and how of marketing has changed in the internet age.

It’s similar to what’s happened with music. If you’re not actively paying attention, the only new stuff you’ll pick up on is what the larger labels want to push.

Fair or not, this is the modern media landscape.

 

[Zgrado1970]

If you all are going to turn ASR into Film Forum, can you at least talk about film, rather than the latest IP being shoved at us.

 

[Mart68]

If you all are going to turn ASR into Film Forum,

This section is pretty clearly labelled as the 'Music And Movie Discussion'. What topics should we be discussing here instead?

 

[Zgrado1970]

This section is pretty clearly labelled as the 'Music And Movie Discussion'. What topics should we be discussing here instead?

Maybe movies made for grown-ups?

 

[Mart68]

Maybe movies made for grown-ups?

Well I'm with you there.

 

[Digital_Thor]

Not watching a racist, homophobic misogynist is cherry-picking? Is that being manipulated?

I might have expressed myself less clearly, sorry for that. What I meant was, that I try to watch/listen to several sides of an issue, to get a better grasp of the situation as a whole.
My second post, was trying to point out, that criticizing someone or something, often is better understood by others, if you compare it to what you do prefer.
Maybe I - for a time - chose to view the CD, because I felt he emphasized aspects in movies that I could relate to or agreed with - so in that case, I kinda cherry-picked him. I now see that as troublesome - so I mostly stopped, and tried to find a different angle to get an overall better idea of how to interpret movies, if I should even bother to do so, rather than just watch them if I feel like. I mean, you can go to IMDB and see good and bad - rather well written - reviews of almost any movie, and get anything from 1 to 10 stars, so almost no movie suits all, depending on some people's opinions.

Which critic or reviewer would you suggest as better, how and why?

Back to the OP.

When watching a superhero movie, I try to put myself in his place and then dive into the emotions of realizing, that just because you're a super strong being with whatnot abilities - there's always some compromise to be had.

Superman can never have a real relationship,
He has to shave with his laser vision, so how does he even have a haircut?
He's always somehow alone
He's in a constant, ever expanding moral dilemma of some sort, with some criminal or personal situation.

Modern movies can be tricky, because gimmicks like CGI and effects, easily take over, when trying to sell movies to people with an attention span of 1-2 seconds. It's business. That being said, good and bad movies are always being made - like music and everything else.
I think a movie like Highlander portrayed an interesting idea on how you can try to have an honest relationship, even when you outlive your wife all the time - repeatedly.

 

[Sal1950]

I hope you’re joking.

Seriously I'm not.
I'm not a huge movie guy with personal tastes in SciFi, Action-Adventure, Westerns, some Horror.
That said I don't live under a rock and still never heard of the films on Koeitje's list.
None couldn't have been very popular.
OTOH
I'm also sure there's tons of recording artists from the Rap and Hip Hop genre I've never heard of.
How bout you?

Maybe movies made for grown-ups?

Oh gee, what a snappy crack.
Like what, porn?

 

[mhardy6647]

If any of y'all've never seen The Big Bus -- I would say that you are immediately disqualified from discussion of the best motion pictures of all time.

ahem.

 

[AdrianusG]

I just saw it the other day and have to disagree. It was messy, bloated, and character development was rushed but it's worth a watch. The monkeys were just a cute throw away joke referencing the Infinite Monkey Theorem with a modern social media twist. Was it overly goofy yeah, but I think the tone made sense for this kind of superhero movie. In his earliest depictions Superman didn't even fly (able to leap tall buildings in a single bound). His powers have changed over the years. It's not compelling to watch a movie where the main character is completely impervious to damage there's no drama, danger, or stakes. The only thing that could beat him badly was totally believable within the context of the film (won't spoil it here). I thought Brosnahan played off of Coronswet really well. Guy Gardner has had that bowl cut in the comics since the 80s and super heroes can have bad personalities too, that's what James Gunn excels at writing. Sorry that you didn't enjoy it, but I'll take this over the dark depressing headache inducing Snyder version all day long.

Well,

I hope that whoever is going to direct DCU's Batman (Brave and the Bold) will remember that Batman is not Superman, that he's no a boy scout, he's not a fun guy to hang out with either, it's a thinker, a schemer , worlds greatest detective (after Sherlock Holmes of course,
But yeah he makes contingency plans for his own teammates from the Justice League, so please, we don't need a goofy Batman, one "Batman and Robin" is quite enough thank you very much.
This Batman iteration needs at least to be on par with Christian Bale's version of the character, it doesn't have to be as dark as "The Batman", but you know, somewhere in between would be nice.

 

[Koeitje]

??? I don't believe I ever heard of or seen a single one on your list.
Are these English language films?

Almost all of these are well known films, if you are into film you probably know most of them. I didn't pick some obscure stuff.

Only two movies on my list weren't nominated for an Oscar, and a total of 7 won one or more Oscars.

You might know Gisaengchung as Parasite, the South Korean movie that won the Oscar for best picture (not best foreign film!). Incendies is Denis Villeneuve, Gone Girl is a David Fincher film with Ben Affleck. The Father has Anthony Hopkins and Olivia Colman. Three Billboards Outside Ebbing, Missouri features Woody Harrelson and Sam Rockwell. Whiplash has J.K. Simmons and won multiple Oscars. Moonlight? Won multiple Oscars. A Separation? You guessed it: Oscars winner. The Florida Project has Willem Dafoe, who got nominated for an Oscar for his role in the movie. The Lighthouse also has Dafoe, this time together with Robbert Pattinson and it also won an Oscar. Sound of Metal? Features Riz Ahmed and got multiple Oscar wins and nominations. The Banshees of Inisherin? Colin Farrell and a whopping 9 Oscar nominations. Portrait of a Lady on Fire might be a little bit more obscure, and I've always found it odd France didn't submit it for the Oscars.

Don't really think you are movie guy if you missed these movies, there are multiple Oscar winners and nominations on my list which also feature A list actors and directors. I'm sorry, but if you say you don't know any of them it is hard to believe you are into cinema.

Edit: I'd argue that the Lord of The Rings Trilogy is the best trilogy of all time. No three films come close.

Agree!

After that, the Batman Trilogy (Nolan), as far as we are taking about live action movies anyway.

Could be a good number 2 trilogy indeed.

I might have expressed myself less clearly, sorry for that. What I meant was, that I try to watch/listen to several sides of an issue, to get a better grasp of the situation as a whole.
My second post, was trying to point out, that criticizing someone or something, often is better understood by others, if you compare it to what you do prefer.
Maybe I - for a time - chose to view the CD, because I felt he emphasized aspects in movies that I could relate to or agreed with - so in that case, I kinda cherry-picked him. I now see that as troublesome - so I mostly stopped, and tried to find a different angle to get an overall better idea of how to interpret movies, if I should even bother to do so, rather than just watch them if I feel like. I mean, you can go to IMDB and see good and bad - rather well written - reviews of almost any movie, and get anything from 1 to 10 stars, so almost no movie suits all, depending on some people's opinions.

Which critic or reviewer would you suggest as better, how and why?

I think Red Letter Media does a pretty good job, because they actually discuss the film and they don't always agree (because they have different tastes). They also do retrospectives on classic movies. For more in-depth essays I like Thomas Flight