Suggestions over DT 770 Pro 80ohm

[Jachoo]

I have had the Beyer DT 770 Pro 80 ohms for 3 years and I have really enjoyed them while using Oratory’s eq for them. Although I still really like them I have recently been looking for more, something with more accurate bass, or better soundstage, or fewer resonances.

I am open to both open-back but I do have a soft spot for closed-backs. My budget is about 400-550 dollars (1500-2000zł), though I would prefer under 500.

I have looked up the following headphones and I am just too indecisive:
- FIIO FT1
- FIIO FT13
- Sennheiser HD620S

I listen to most genres, although my favourite is Rock and Hard Rock; I would love to hear what you guys’ opinions and recommendations!

 

[DVDdoug]

Unfortunately, the DT770 isn't measured or reviewed here. Most of the Beyerdynamic headphones that were reviewed got "not recommended". You'll have to read them if you care to know why.

So we don't know where you're starting from with your headphones and your EQ settings but headphone "sound" is mostly frequency response:
Harman Curve
Understanding Headphone Measurements (video)

Of course you can tweak frequency response with EQ but sometimes if you boost the bass you end-up pushing the headphone or headphone amp into distortion.

With headphones there is almost no correlation between sound quality and price (as you can see if you sort the reviews here by "recommended" or price). The "famous" AKG K371 gets good reviews for sound quality but with slightly exaggerated bass compared to the Harmon preference curve.

better soundstage, or fewer resonances.

Resonance shows up in frequency response but with headphones/speakers it's usually not heard as a "resonance". Most aren't bad enough to ring/resonate.

Soundstage with headphones is a bit "strange". People do perceive a better/different soundstage with different headphones and there is a LOT of talk about it but very few listeners get anything like a realistic soundstage illusion. Headphone listening is "just different" than hearing sound in a room. Headphone soundstage survey

I listen to most genres, although my favourite is Rock and Hard Rock;

If headphones (or speakers) can reproduce accurate sound, your genre preference doesn't matter.

 

[Jiraya369]

if you get the good version of the FT1, you just need to do a sine sweep and turn down resonant frequencies based on your HRTF. But based on the ASR review, it could have very weird L/R balancing. Mainly, the Beyerdynamic has high Q dips and weird treble spikes, meaning it's very hard to properly EQ. The FT1 is quite smooth in comparison and only requires EQ for your own ears.

I'd suggest you to get an open back though, they have a more natural response and can be more comfortable as your ears can breath better. The Moondrop Para 2, Hifiman Edition XV, FiiO FT1 Pro are all nice. The Edition XV and Para 2 especially. FT1 Pro also seems to have wild variations, some have a dip in the FR which is very hard to EQ. The Para 2 also has issues but mostly related to distortion that may or may not be audible. Unheardlab's review saw one channel having world class distortion characteristics and the other channel being a lot worse, still both being mostly inaudible imo though.

The best headphone is the one that is tuned neutral for your ears with preference adjustments like bass boosts. You just need to do a sine sweep and turn some frequencies down to get rid of the nastiest peaks.

Basically, buy headphones that are most comfortable for you and have a response that is decent enough to be eq'd. Using a non-eq'd headphone is like eating bland white rice without anything extra. There can be ugly peaks/dips in your ear based on your own anatomy.

 

[DVDdoug]

I'd suggest you to get an open back though, they have a more natural response

I don't think that's true. There are good and bad headphones made both ways. But you may have other reasons for a preference. I'm psychologically "more comfortable" when I can hear the other sounds around me. But I own both and I don't have a strong preference because I don't listen to headphones that much.

 

[IngMishael]

I have had the Beyer DT 770 Pro 80 ohms for 3 years and I have really enjoyed them while using Oratory’s eq for them. Although I still really like them I have recently been looking for more, something with more accurate bass, or better soundstage, or fewer resonances.

I am open to both open-back but I do have a soft spot for closed-backs. My budget is about 400-550 dollars (1500-2000zł), though I would prefer under 500.

I have looked up the following headphones and I am just too indecisive:
- FIIO FT1
- FIIO FT13
- Sennheiser HD620S

I listen to most genres, although my favourite is Rock and Hard Rock; I would love to hear what you guys’ opinions and recommendations!

seems you're looking for a closed back? Since you already have a closed back why not get an open back?
the Sony MDR-MV1 from either https://kytary.pl/sony-mdr-mv1/HN260047/ or https://reverb.com/en-pl/p/sony-mdr-mv1-open-back-headphones-24-ohms

 

[Jachoo]

Checked out on the internet the Sony MDR-MV1s and they seem quite nice. I also checked out the moondrop para 2 review here on asr and have some questions because the para 2 costs a fortune more than the original and I haven’t been able to discern the differences. Additionally, the the DT990 Pro X seem nice but lacking in bass, just like the Fiio FT1 Pro. Is there any reason to go with a planar?

I’m just too indecisive, although the MV1s look really good now that I think about it… Any further help?

 

[Jiraya369]

I don't think that's true

if i overlay 50% of the closed back headphones from the big companies and compare to close backs, you'll definitely understand why i said that. Additionally, the comfort factor alongside the more open sound solidifies open backs as clearly superior for me.

apart from dan clark with their revolutionary tech and the fiio ft1, genuinely difficult to find good closed backs in general. If you know then do tell me. Closed backs tend to suffer from nasty resonances and especially dips. peaks are fairly easy to handle but the closed back dips are impossible to fix with eq

not only that, but even with the dips and stuff, these headphones dont have the best responses. Only the DCA Noire X looks great to me.

 

[IngMishael]

Checked out on the internet the Sony MDR-MV1s and they seem quite nice. I also checked out the moondrop para 2 review here on asr and have some questions because the para 2 costs a fortune more than the original and I haven’t been able to discern the differences. Additionally, the the DT990 Pro X seem nice but lacking in bass, just like the Fiio FT1 Pro. Is there any reason to go with a planar?

I’m just too indecisive, although the MV1s look really good now that I think about it… Any further help?

well comfort is paramount for me and the MV1 is the most comfy of the lot you have listed and they have closed back levels of bass with open back incisiveness. they are frankly a great platform to do every tinkering possible on

 

[Jachoo]

the MV1 is the most comfy of the lot you have listed

That seems very nice and a good advantage.

Thanks for the advice. I will be getting the Sony MDR-MV1s, and I will be sure to let you guys know what I think of them!

 

[Jachoo]

@IngMishael
Still waiting some days for the headphones to arrive, can’t wait.
I saw some people say that the pads flatten out quickly, is it true? How long have you been using them? Would be really keen to know your input on this, considering I have used my beyers on the daily.

(Edit
I just realised you never actually said you have them, directly. I kind of assumed that you have them so if you don’t, sorry for my short thinking.

 

[IngMishael]

@IngMishael
Still waiting some days for the headphones to arrive, can’t wait.
I saw some people say that the pads flatten out quickly, is it true? How long have you been using them? Would be really keen to know your input on this, considering I have used my beyers on the daily.

(Edit
I just realised you never actually said you have them, directly. I kind of assumed that you have them so if you don’t, sorry for my short thinking.

I don't have them directly but I have heard them extensively and yes part of their comfiness is them conforming to your ears well so they do compress but they get back to form. so unless you listen extensively all the time then that shouldn't be an issue

 

[Jachoo]

I don't have them directly but I have heard them extensively and yes part of their comfiness is them conforming to your ears well so they do compress but they get back to form. so unless you listen extensively all the time then that shouldn't be an issue

Well, I did and still do use my 770s around 20-30 hours a week, just because I use them for everything including gaming, studying, watching videos, movies, and listening to music. Will that use up the earpads relatively quickly?

Just as a precaution I did search up where to purchase extra pads, and there is nowhere where I can buy some, so I have contacted Sony to know if they are easily replaceable. Let’s see what they have to say… (fingers crossed they are readily available for purchase!)