Suggestions opinions on what i need to get ?

[kevinsonic]

First of all thank you so much for the detailed responses in my previous thread.
My requirements is not much, but the sound needs to be better than what i had before. If it can be much better Great !

A Stereo system, i'd like to avoid a full blown surround system, i just want to use 2 speakers .

Ok this is what i need with my low budget.

Most of the time I simply need to be able to sit in the middle of my 15x15 square meter room, and listen to good sounding music.
It must absolutely be an upgrade from my Trusted Sonics AS255s.

Attached is what's left of them and also used ones for sale not in my country (albeit the mids are different)

They sounded good, very good to me why i say so is that, i have heard many towers and always felt they needed to have a sub.
I never felt that need with my sonics AS255's Everything was adequate and balanced i did not need fronts, rears, centers subs etc....
The seakers sounded very nice to me.

So what i need is an upgrade to these.
But, it is nice to have a lot of power when occasionally i will push it just for kicks. So over the top power is ok ocassionally.
Most of the time i want to listen ad moderate levels, nice balanced loud sounding music Occasionally would be nice as others stated, with a PA system
you feel every detail and clarity.

So back again to what i had and what i want, (ITO budget)

These large bookshelfs i had were nice !

The Sonics AS255's i think they were mad in the late 70s or 80s ?
Now these speakers sound magnificent, with an old nad 3020, or 80 technics or pioneer amp but with an equalizer.
These speakers do not posses any cheater holes, and to me they sounded well balanced with good sounding bass.
I think the woofer is 10 inch ?

Modern towers did not wow me with the clarity and quality of bass these old speakers produced for me.

Music Genre is somewhat broad but not totally on opposite ends. Rock, Hard rock, to trance to actually 80s.

 

[kevinsonic]

Given what i said that it needs to be an upgrade to what i had this is what i'm looking at:
What would you choose within these options ? (i'm just not sure if the towers would provide better bass than my sonics AS255s had. The PA's would be nice if they would work, some towers i am itching to pull the trigger on, but am refraining from doing it being concerned about which models screwed up the crossover, how good are the woofers and will they sound as balanced and good/better than my old AS255s.

Amp is not an issue i will get a used hifi or budget PA amp with plenty of EQ if i go the PA route ?

 

[Matt_Holland]

Can you please clarify the room size?
15x15m (=225m2)
Or
15m2 (=5x3m)

And what is the budget?

 

[MaxwellsEq]

You say you have heard tower speakers that didn't impress you. Can you give their names and model numbers. I'll explain why we need this information:

The problem we have is this - you may not enjoy speakers that are flat in an anechoic environment (i.e. as "accurate" as is possible), instead preferring a something that has, for example, a lot more bass, than neutral, between 80 and 200Hz.

Most people on this forum are not searching for a certain sound, but are interested in using science to get as close as possible to neutral. You might not like our recommendations, if they don't match your expectations of what "sounds good" to you.

 

[kevinsonic]

Can you please clarify the room size?
15x15m (=225m2)
Or
15m2 (=5x3m)

And what is the budget?

they will move between a 15m2 room and a 3m2 room. Budget is as explained it's not much but what i am looking for is speakers that can outperform my AS255s in terms of quality and loudness, i'm still thinking about the Omega's because of reasons i mentioned, they might be cheap, but they might also work well given i'm not aiming for high end super expensive audio, though my AS255s sonics sounded perfect for me, they had to do something right with that model.

 

[kevinsonic]

You say you have heard tower speakers that didn't impress you. Can you give their names and model numbers. I'll explain why we need this information:

The problem we have is this - you may not enjoy speakers that are flat in an anechoic environment (i.e. as "accurate" as is possible), instead preferring a something that has, for example, a lot more bass, than neutral, between 80 and 200Hz.

Most people on this forum are not searching for a certain sound, but are interested in using science to get as close as possible to neutral. You might not like our recommendations, if they don't match your expectations of what "sounds good" to you.

The best i can answer is to say that i want the quality sound i had with my sonics as255's but louder would be nice.

The reason i say some towers did not impress:
I don't want to start a brand war etc... I say this because most likely your average tower as per many of my posted pics above is using reduced sized woofers compared to my as 255s, i listened to some, not the above pictured ones too, then i also do research on various forums, everytime i get a brand model that i think could work, when i do research i see people replying bass is underwhelmed, or the mids and treble is too bright, or the mids and treble is too low, over time taking all this into consideration i found that the conclusion is that most GOOD reviews come from towers that have larger woofers, ito wanting tower speakers that does not require a sub.

 

[kevinsonic]

After so many advertisements, i found a pair of these ito HifI speakers that is the only ones i found that could be worth getting.
Wharfdale Atlantic's

However the ones i am looking at getting (not the one pictured) seems to have cuts in the rubber surrounds, looks like age related wear or a camera effect, i am busy trying for the seller to send me clearer pictures, if its cracked, i'm not sure if it could be repaired economically, might be better to get a different pair of speakers, however these wharfdale's seems like good value if they are in good condition. But also not easy to find in my country

 

[MaxwellsEq]

i want the quality sound i had with my sonics as255's

Unless a member of ASR has heard your current speakers, no-one here will be able to give this sort of advice.

As a silly example, I suspect that the Genelec 1236A will go deep and loud in the bass and will be pretty good at accurately reproducing realistic representations of original recordings, but you might not like how they sound.

Looking through the photos you shared of possible speakers, they all look a bit suspicious to me - drivers thrown into big boxes and meant to look impressive. I think good floor standing speakers tend to be at least $1000 (manufacturer's recommended price).

Perhaps something like the Wharfedale Linton 85th Anniversary?

 

[Holmz]

15m x 15M is like 50 feet by 50 feet.
That is a large room, and it would likely take a lot of power and a lot of speaker.

 

[voodooless]

Those kinds of speakers would typically have a V-shape response. Nowadays, the trend is more towards a more linear tuning.

So maybe try something like Klipsch R-820F? Or Magnat Monitor Supreme 2000, if you can find it, or JBL Arena 170/180?

And EQ is your friend to tune to taste.

 

[Matt_Holland]

15m x 15M is like 50 feet by 50 feet.
That is a large room, and it would likely take a lot of power and a lot of speaker.

Only it’s not 15x15m. It’s 15m2. And there’s a second space that is only 3m2 that the speakers will be used in.

The OP won’t struggle with loudness. Although I’m struggling with what advice to give.

 

[Mart68]

Given what i said that it needs to be an upgrade to what i had this is what i'm looking at:
What would you choose within these options ? (i'm just not sure if the towers would provide better bass than my sonics AS255s had. The PA's would be nice if they would work, some towers i am itching to pull the trigger on, but am refraining from doing it being concerned about which models screwed up the crossover, how good are the woofers and will they sound as balanced and good/better than my old AS255s.

Amp is not an issue i will get a used hifi or budget PA amp with plenty of EQ if i go the PA route ?

I'm unfamilair with most of these speakers and most look like junk - of those pictured I can advise the KEF C75 are excellent and would be my pick.

 

[ZolaIII]

Those that you have are close buffle three way ones and won't go very low but mid bass if stressed out will go proud and loud.
New lamps for the old one's!?
Wharfedale Linton's as bookshelf's are relatively inexpensive three way open buffle that go loud and proud (100 dB @1m) and cabinet is hard enough that there is not much interface from port fundamentals (which you don't have without port to begin with).
If you want a little bit more see how Polk R700 floor stand (also ported three way) suits you as those should at least match your old ones regarding mid bass SPL (2x8" alu woofers), probably out match them if you can find them and they aren't exactly cheap.
What you need is ELC and while easy to say it's not so easy to get there regarding fitting in on lower SPL where correction is big and you need a pair of sub's for it (2.2).

 

[kevinsonic]

Those that you have are close buffle three way ones and won't go very low but mid bass if stressed out will go proud and loud.
New lamps for the old one's!?
Wharfedale Linton's as bookshelf's are relatively inexpensive three way open buffle that go loud and proud (100 dB @1m) and cabinet is hard enough that there is not much interface from port fundamentals (which you don't have without port to begin with).
If you want a little bit more see how Polk R700 floor stand (also ported three way) suits you as those should at least match your old ones regarding mid bass SPL (2x8" alu woofers), probably out match them if you can find them and they aren't exactly cheap.
What you need is ELC and while easy to say it's not so easy to get there regarding fitting in on lower SPL where correction is big and you need a pair of sub's for it (2.2).

That sounds more like it ! the bass was clear on my AS 255s and loud but clear on the midrange and can one call it punchy ? Without distortion, good enough to go through your whole body but not as low as to start annoying you. If i can find your recommendations at an affordable price i will go and look at them thanks

 

[kevinsonic]

I went to have a listen at these this morning:

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They did go loud without distorting (standing 10 feet away) But it felt more like a flat curve, the mids and tweeters did not stand out

And the bass though it went loud enough they werent as punchy/distinguished/clear as my as255s sonics.

So I am going to make an assumption that those big double woofer XL07 omegas will give a similar sound just louder.

I am now leaning towards wharfdale atlantic 400s and will look at Zolalll's reccomendations if i can find any budget friendly ones for sale.

 

[Snarfie]

they will move between a 15m2 room and a 3m2 room. Budget is as explained it's not much but what i am looking for is speakers that can outperform my AS255s in terms of quality and loudness, i'm still thinking about the Omega's because of reasons i mentioned, they might be cheap, but they might also work well given i'm not aiming for high end super expensive audio, though my AS255s sonics sounded perfect for me, they had to do something right with that model.

Would suggest before buying anything first buy a measuring mic measure an correct your room with DSP like Mathaudio room eq for free with foobar2000 using a simple Windows laptop. Listen to the new found sound for your SS255s a go from their on.

 

[Putter]

First of all thank you so much for the detailed responses in my previous thread.
My requirements is not much, but the sound needs to be better than what i had before. If it can be much better Great !

A Stereo system, i'd like to avoid a full blown surround system, i just want to use 2 speakers .

Ok this is what i need with my low budget.

Most of the time I simply need to be able to sit in the middle of my 15x15 square meter room, and listen to good sounding music.
It must absolutely be an upgrade from my Trusted Sonics AS255s.

Attached is what's left of them and also used ones for sale not in my country (albeit the mids are different)

They sounded good, very good to me why i say so is that, i have heard many towers and always felt they needed to have a sub.
I never felt that need with my sonics AS255's Everything was adequate and balanced i did not need fronts, rears, centers subs etc....
The seakers sounded very nice to me.

So what i need is an upgrade to these.
But, it is nice to have a lot of power when occasionally i will push it just for kicks. So over the top power is ok ocassionally.
Most of the time i want to listen ad moderate levels, nice balanced loud sounding music Occasionally would be nice as others stated, with a PA system
you feel every detail and clarity.

So back again to what i had and what i want, (ITO budget)

These large bookshelfs i had were nice !

The Sonics AS255's i think they were mad in the late 70s or 80s ?
Now these speakers sound magnificent, with an old nad 3020, or 80 technics or pioneer amp but with an equalizer.
These speakers do not posses any cheater holes, and to me they sounded well balanced with good sounding bass.
I think the woofer is 10 inch ?

Modern towers did not wow me with the clarity and quality of bass these old speakers produced for me.

Music Genre is somewhat broad but not totally on opposite ends. Rock, Hard rock, to trance to actually 80s.

I'm going out on a limb and ask what is the problem with the Sonics that you almost worship and I suspect might horrify the rest of us here? From the pics it appears to be a dead tweeter in which case you might look into replacing both tweeters and using the potentiometer to make adjustments. It would be helpful if you have any specs on the speakers particularly the crossovers and sensitivity.

 

[kevinsonic]

I'm going out on a limb and ask what is the problem with the Sonics that you almost worship and I suspect might horrify the rest of us here? From the pics it appears to be a dead tweeter in which case you might look into replacing both tweeters and using the potentiometer to make adjustments. It would be helpful if you have any specs on the speakers particularly the crossovers and sensitivity.

post #14 explains it, It sounds like you have not listened to them so i can't see why you could make this call, i have listened to many speakers throughout the years and the as255s do stand out, i am not implying its the best speakers out there, one's bank account is the limit as to getting the best of the best, i am not in a position to play in that league, i am not fishing in the upper class market because i can't, teh AS255's is the best i've heard compared to many modern towers that is what i am saying and does seem like some members understand this.

Some models get it right others do not. Its as simple as that.

I also do understand that people have different opinions and tastes, And purpose for their sound equipment differs according to what the need and want.

Zolalll seems to being able to relate to what it is that i am looking for.

I am not a sound specialist, however part of my work is being in the editing business so naturally i do work with sound, not on a professional scale, but this right here is however for sheer listening enjoyment and that is the sound i am looking for.