Thanks, how do we know this is from the wirecutter ?
Thanks, how do we know this is from the wirecutter ?
It's from Brent Butterworth actually, but since he's a writer for Wirecutter, he writes and reviews products for them:Thanks, how do we know this is from the wirecutter ?
Earlier this year Todd Welti did an interview with AVrant specifically discussing subwoofer placement and his current thinking, very enlightening and definitely worth watchingI agree with you that this approach seems far more complicated than the Welti approach of symmetrical placement in a sealed rectangular room, but it does seem more flexible for weirdly shaped rooms. I never got the impression that he thinks this would not be appropriate for multichannel content. He actually talked about using this approach for his own home theater. For others looking for a good summary, @Matthew J Poes did a video on the AVNirvana channel. I also found this article from miniDSP helpful.
Speaking of Todd Welti...Earlier this year Todd Welti did an interview with AVrant specifically discussing subwoofer placement and his current thinking, very enlightening and definitely worth watching
Audio Pro Level 110
BK Electronics Extreme
BK Electronics Monolith-DF
BK Electronics XLS200-DF MK2
BK Electronics XLS300/PR
Bowers & Wilkins (B&W) PV-1
Chorus Speakers Vertigo XLS 07
Gallo Acoustics TR-1
Genelec 7050B
Genelec 7060B
Genelec 7070A
Genelec 7071A
Genelec HTS3B
Genelec HTS4B
HSU Research MBM-12
HSU Research VTF-3 MK3
HSU Research VTF-3 MK3
HSU Research VTF-3 MK3 with Turbocharger
JL Audio Fathom f113
Monitor Audio BRW10
SVS 20-39 PC-Plus
SVS 20-39 PC-Plus
SVS 20-39 PC-Plus
SVS PB12-NSD
SVS PB12-NSD
SVS PB13-Ultra
SVS PB13-Ultra
SVS PB13-Ultra
SVS PB13-Ultra
SVS SB12-Plus
Velodyne Acoustics SPL-1200 Series II
XTZ Sound 99 W12S
XTZ Sound 99 W12S
Yamaha YST-SW1500
Added 34 more subwoofer models with CEA-2010-A data...
Special thanks to @Ilkka Rissanen for sharing his CEA-2010-A results from several years ago (from 2009, I believe).
Also thanks to @pozz for getting me in contact with Ilkka and bugging him to release his data.
Here's the models that I added data for:
All those are discontinued, except BK Electronics XLS200-DF MK2.
But it's still awesome data to have, especially since we now have first data on Genelec subs.
We still don’t know the reason. Latest discussion took place:Does the SVS SB-3000 really outperform the SB-4000?
At bass frequencies the room will always influence what you hear. The only benefit to having a subwoofer nearby is in the extra SPL.it is more near to ears and room reflections have less influence.
He seems to post those reviews for multiple publications (pretty sure I've seen his name on SoundStage sub reviews) and compile everything on his website. Could be easier/clearer to use his name?It's from Brent Butterworth actually, but since he's a writer for Wirecutter, he writes and reviews products for them:
https://www.nytimes.com/wirecutter/reviews/best-subwoofer-for-home/
https://www.nytimes.com/wirecutter/reviews/best-budget-subwoofer/
Brent's spreadsheet is linked in the Wirecutter article in the section "How we tested", as well as on his personal website.
At bass frequencies the room will always influence what you hear. The only benefit to having a subwoofer nearby is in the extra SPL.
Updated.He seems to post those reviews for multiple publications (pretty sure I've seen his name on SoundStage sub reviews) and compile everything on his website. Could be easier/clearer to use his name?
Some of the recent PA subwoofers look like they go down pretty deep in frequency, like the Yamaha DXS12XLF.
There is no DXS12XLF. The 18" version is -10dB at 30hz, how is that even remotely "deep"? Completely normal PA response.
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I was curious because if the drop off below 30 hz wasn't as dramatic as I now see with that graph, perhaps some EQ drop at 40hz+ and gain below 35hz could at least allow it to produce decent low level bass to 110 dB at 20hz & 116 dB at 25hz or so, (throwing random hopeful figures out since I don't have actual measurements) which would make it at least usable, even if it has nothing below 18 hz, especially if you listen to more music than movies. and yes I meant DXS18 not 12, not sure how it ended up like that in the post. I must admit I do love the chest slamming bass more than the room shaking bass, so my love for PA speakers will be there regardless of how not-so-low they go.I have no idea why anyone would give a shit about PA speakers, this is the first time in all my years on the internet someone has even mentioned them. Yamaha's TOTL DXS18 subwoofer, like all PA subs isn't about accuracy or depth, it's simply about VOLUME and it certainly succeeds at that, being able to create 136db SPL but i'd love to know what it's frequency response would be +/- 3db because at -10db it's frequency response goes down to 32hz. My guess would be ~50hz but Yamaha of course doesn't mention that. I'll bet I own satellite speakers that produce bass as deep as some of their PA subs