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Subwoofer Comparison

I just received dual Monolith M10 version 2 (10 inch woofer) subwoofers today. Fit and finish is perfect. The version two look nice with the rounded corners. The grill is also now flush with the baffle with the recessed woofer. They are really nice units if anyone is on the fence. I still have work to do to integrate them, but the bass is really nice on initial setup.
Beside the recessed woofer and flush grill, they look almost identical. Specs look almost identical, most likely use the same amp module with some tweaks. I'm sure you will be happy with them, for 10'' subs, they perform really well.
I have a pair of version one. Paid just a hair more for the pair then what a single V2 sells for. I have no complaints after one year or more of owning them. Anyways, congrats on your new purchase, enjoy.
 
Beside the recessed woofer and flush grill, they look almost identical. Specs look almost identical, most likely use the same amp module with some tweaks. I'm sure you will be happy with them, for 10'' subs, they perform really well.
I have a pair of version one. Paid just a hair more for the pair then what a single V2 sells for. I have no complaints after one year or more of owning them. Anyways, congrats on your new purchase, enjoy.
I agree, I doubt the V2 is better in any meaningful way. I probably wouldn't have gotten two without the quantity discount of $100. Even at full price, I think they're a great deal for what you get. Man, two of them for just over $500? That's insane. How do they make money? Lol.
 
I agree, I doubt the V2 is better in any meaningful way. I probably wouldn't have gotten two without the quantity discount of $100. Even at full price, I think they're a great deal for what you get. Man, two of them for just over $500? That's insane. How do they make money? Lol.
Well, I got mine from an installer, who works for a local company i do business with, he picked them up at an estate sell, new and unopened. So, yes i was pretty happy about the deal, $600 total for the pair, delivered to me.
 
Collaboration, sweet chaos?

 
It appears that this user's approach is as follows:
1. Calculate your room size (say 5000 ft^3)

2. Understand your listening level, relative to reference, say -20db (you can see this information from your receiver, if you already have one)(if you don't have a receiver, most people listen to -10 to -20db from the reference level, so pick a representative value that you think you'll listen to, say -20db).

3. Look at this user's chart (mind you, it's only showing 57 CEA-2010-A rated subwoofers, whereas I have 400+ CEA-2010-A rated subwoofers in my spreadsheet) for you room size of 5000ft^3, then look down the table until you see the -20db value (which I've shown as the arrow below)
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4. This shows you that you need at least a SVS SB-2000 (NA GBP/ea) for your listening level and room size.
Of course, this also means that if you increase the volume to be louder than -20db from reference, the SVS SB-2000 won't be capable of hitting this output for you room size.
Say, if you want to listen at -10db, then you need at least a SVS PB-1000 (450GBP/ea)(cheapest of the 4 options at -10db listening level).
But hold on, if you spend 500GBP/ea for a Monoprice 10" THX, you get -8db from reference level. This is better than SVS PB-1000 by 2db for an extra 50 GBP. I picked a sub that wasn't the minimum recommended, but at a higher price point. So the user has to hunt this information down in this table.

5. This shows you how much $$ you need to spend for your room size and listening level. This approach ignores the user's budget at first, which is often the primary factor when purchasing, not last.

Can you not get the same information from my spreadsheet, with a few filters? Yes, since you can filter by any frequency that's important to you (say 15hz)(not just 20hz, as this user has ranked subs for). In other words, I like my spreadsheet's capabilities a lot more.

The limitation of this user's approach is he's ranking for a single frequency, 20hz. What if you only care about 10hz? Then this table is obsolete. Whereas my spreadsheet has your answer.

A simple and intuitive approach is to just use my spreadsheet, calculate the room size, pick a budget, see if your budget is too low compared to the subwoofer's output for that budget, save up until you have $ for that room size, then choose a subwoofer based on the frequency that's important to you (say 10hz to 20hz, if you're into watching movies) or (higher than 25hz if you're listening to music only).

My calculations for the Audioholic's room rank are as follows:
Small:
=IF(AND(25hz<103,31.5hz<109), "Small", "")
Small/Medium:
=IF(OR(AND(25hz<103,31.5hz>=109), AND(25hz>=103,31.5hz<109)), "Small/Medium", "")
Medium:
=IF((AND(25hz>=103,31.5hz>=109,40hz>=109,50hz>=109,63hz>=109)), "Medium", "")
Large:
=IF((AND(25hz>=109,31.5hz>=115,40hz>=115,50hz>=115,63hz>=115)), "Large", "")
Extreme:
=IF((AND(25hz>=117,31.5hz>=123,40hz>=123,50hz>=123,63hz>=123)), "Extreme", "")
Which shows you that Audioholic's rating is primarily based on the 31.5hz and above frequencies.

Audioholic's room ranking system, is based on this principle:
"The standard calibration "Reference Level" (RL) is 75dB at the listening position. The goal is to ensure the system calibrated at 75dB can hit clean 105 dB peaks for each of the speaker channels and 115 dB peaks for the LFE channel. Note that the LFE channel is boosted 10 dB over the speaker channels. Technically speaking, most people redirect the bass from other channels to the subwoofer, which in conjunction with LFE could in theory ask the sub for a 123dB peak signal. However this is NOT a common scenario and most people don't listen at reference levels (especially if they value their long term hearing). It is much more common for A/V enthusiasts to listen between -15 to -10db from reference. Thus a 115 dB peak at the listening seats in-room is a more realistic benchmark goal for large rooms. To really stand out, a sub must hit the 123dB mark to earn our "Extreme Bassaholic" rating."
So as you can see, if the subwoofer is capable of hitting "Large", this means it's capable of playing at -10db from the reference level. Which is already the loudest playback to what most people should be listening to.
If you buy a subwoofer that isn't rated for a "Large room" but you have a "Large room", then the subwoofer won't have enough output for your maximum level of playback (in other words -10db from reference on your receiver).

Here's a problem I see with this user's table.
Let's say a consumer finds this user's table, and decides to purchase a subwoofer for a -20db reference level of playback, thinking that's all he's ever going to need. Then, when his friends come over, and he's blasting content, his subwoofer will run out of power trying to hit -10db reference level. Guess what? The user bought the wrong sub. He should have bought a subwoofer capable of -10db playback in the first place. Now what? The consumer was fooled into thinking that's all he needed simply because this information wasn't understood by this table. How many people could get fooled like this? Audioholic's room rank (and by extension my spreadsheet) doesn't have this problem.
 
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Or just get the Monoprice 10, 12 or 15 THX as they are the best price/performance subwoofers in the world depending on your room size / needs! As your spreadsheet clearly shows when the correct filters are applied. Maybe only HSU come close.
 
Where I live there aren't any of the well reviewed subwoofers that are on this list , and of course they cant be ordered overseas due to their weight and size

I have however found this Subwoofer available for what is equivalent to 900$

I know that review doesnt follow a standard testing methodology , but can you form some sort of conclusion of whether its would be a good subwoofer or not ?
 
Where I live there aren't any of the well reviewed subwoofers that are on this list , and of course they cant be ordered overseas due to their weight and size

I have however found this Subwoofer available for what is equivalent to 900$

I know that review doesnt follow a standard testing methodology , but can you form some sort of conclusion of whether its would be a good subwoofer or not ?

There's data on the 12" version of that sub in the spreadsheet, you might want to compare the 12" data to other 12"ers (looks similar to an SB-1000 PRO for example). Plus the 15" shouldn't be worse than the 12". Based on that it seems reasonable to me if that's your only choice. My main issues with the klipsch subs is that there are plenty of cheap ones but even the expensive ones just look cheap IMO.
 
Where I live there aren't any of the well reviewed subwoofers that are on this list , and of course they cant be ordered overseas due to their weight and size

I have however found this Subwoofer available for what is equivalent to 900$

I know that review doesnt follow a standard testing methodology , but can you form some sort of conclusion of whether its would be a good subwoofer or not ?
it's predecessor, the Klipsch R-115SW, was an excellent subwoofer with lots of output capability. You can do better with the online direct companies but if you're limited to big box retailer subwoofers, it doesn't get much better.
 
Just saw that the Monoprice Monolith 10" THX (for US$450/ea) has been finally discontinued.
Farewell, my friend, you will be missed. :oops:

The replacement M-10 was US$550/ea a couple of weeks ago, but now US$650/ea. Hopefully it comes down on Boxing Week.
 
Just saw that the Monoprice Monolith 10" THX (for US$450/ea) has been finally discontinued.
Farewell, my friend, you will be missed. :oops:

The replacement M-10 was US$550/ea a couple of weeks ago, but now US$650/ea. Hopefully it comes down on Boxing Week.
Wow, they just raised it $100 for the M10 V2. I got two of them for $1K just last month. Even at $650, it's still a good deal. They're great subwoofers.
 
So ever since Disney took over and started churning out movies that are basically high passed at 30hz, I'm really wondering what the point is of having a system with extension to 10hz anymore. Debating getting rid of my Funk 18" and switching two to CSS SDX 12s. Those still have usable extension to 16hz and will equal the performance of my Funk everywhere else, while having more even bass from seat to seat.

Is there any reason why anybody should care about <15hz bass anymore? There are so few movies with any content down there... the only one I can think of is the test tones in the Edge of Tomorrow intro, maybe a couple scenes in Cloverfield, the choppers in Black Hawk Down and Lone Survivor... and that's it. Seems like "butt kickers" would be a better option for reproducing this ultra-low content anyway?
 
Is there any reason why anybody should care about <15hz bass anymore? There are so few movies with any content down there... the only one I can think of is the test tones in the Edge of Tomorrow intro, maybe a couple scenes in Cloverfield, the choppers in Black Hawk Down and Lone Survivor... and that's it. Seems like "butt kickers" would be a better option for reproducing this ultra-low content anyway?
I mean you can always BEQ your way to happiness if that's what you're into.
 
I mean you can always BEQ your way to happiness if that's what you're into.

Never been one to throw random EQ adjustments at anything. I play back the source with no changes. Furthest I ever went was to remux the DVD audio track for Master & Commander together with the bluray... Those guys are seriously throwing 20dB of LF boost on children's movies? Altering reference quality movies like Dune? :facepalm:

Even then, everything is rolled off below 15hz.
 
Never been one to throw random EQ adjustments at anything. I play back the source with no changes. Furthest I ever went was to remux the DVD audio track for Master & Commander together with the bluray... Those guys are seriously throwing 20dB of LF boost on children's movies? :facepalm:

Even then, everything is rolled off below 15hz.
Well I dunno what methodology they're using. Obviously nobody but the original studio can know what content was down there. But it's what exists.

In a lot of cases, filtering it out is intentional. Most theatres don't have output below 20hz-30hz, so this whole below 20hz thing is a purely extreme-home-theatre thing.

My guess is, for whatever reason, studios have decided it's not worth mastering content specifically for that. Personally, I targeted flat to 20hz and anything below that was incidental.
 
My Klipsch 10"subwoofer, for my small HT room, 10X12, is a great performer. It was on sale at Best Buy at 1/2 price, or $199.95 a year+ ago. DD movies never sounded better.
 
My Klipsch 10"subwoofer, for my small HT room, 10X12, is a great performer. It was on sale at Best Buy at 1/2 price, or $199.95 a year+ ago. DD movies never sounded better.
i hate an 8 inch one and i hate it. cant get gain/crossover right. sound is just booomy.
 
Hadn't seen the gloss monoprice subs up on the website before. $200 more for the gloss.
 
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