Sub SB1000 PRO …

[Hifi for life .]

Yes the answer has already been touched on above. For speakers. WiiM Ultra to Yamaha. For subwoofer , WiiM Ultra subout to subwoofer. WiiM Ultra will apply HPF to the mains and LPF to the subs. It even has automated subwoofer/speaker sync, manual coarse delay adjustment, subwoofer gain level trim, and room correction. You see the unified HPF/LPF crossover on WiiM. Instead of Yamaha 100hz you can set it to whatever you please on WiiM Ultra.

Thanks .

So I can try and see what the Wiim Ultra streamer does first …

Don’t like it -try the Ulta amp .

Sorry , I just need to be certain.

Wiim is a successful experience. I’ll buy the SB1000 PRO at later stage …

 

[Chrispy]

Better screen name anyways....welcome back?

First, not sure what your particular concern with the 100hz cutoff in the Yamaha is, most likely you're going to set the sub's LPF lower than that....and it won't matter if you try and set it above that (depending on just what Yamaha did to cutoff at 100hz). I'd not use an integrated amp without bass management myself, but blending subs with just a lpf can be done well enough I suppose. Using the additional Wiim unit maybe a good workaround for you. You can connect high level and avoid the lpf in the Yamaha's sub pre-out otoh.

As to the sillly fraudioquest cabling, your dealer is apparently not trustworthy. The vandamme cable is fine, if not other brands if decently contstructed. Y

 

[Hifi for life .]

Better screen name anyways....welcome back?

First, not sure what your particular concern with the 100hz cutoff in the Yamaha is, most likely you're going to set the sub's LPF lower than that....and it won't matter if you try and set it above that (depending on just what Yamaha did to cutoff at 100hz). I'd not use an integrated amp without bass management myself, but blending subs with just a lpf can be done well enough I suppose. Using the additional Wiim unit maybe a good workaround for you. You can connect high level and avoid the lpf in the Yamaha's sub pre-out otoh.

As to the sillly fraudioquest cabling, your dealer is apparently not trustworthy. The vandamme cable is fine, if not other brands if decently contstructed. Y

Thanks ! I appreciate the feedback! Many experts here !

Most use 80 Hz with stand mounted anyways. Still it would be full range. Not sure how the Evoke 20 would like that .

Should the Ultra streamer be ticket …Some say it can work but I’d might need to set Yamaha volume control to fixed settings.

I would probably get used to it, but if @Member 90125 uses the Ultra streamer. I am hoping he’d would tell me if the Ultra streamer is the way forward, and I don’t need to adjust the AS701 volume control.

One Van Damme RCA cable from sub LFE connection to the Ultra streamer sub output. Connect the Ultra steamer to the Yamaha .

Yeah … The dealer is con artist.

Yes, Svs own advice is high level. At least with the SB1000 PRO. Using a pair of speaker cables. The other SVs subs-always low level (RCA.).

 

[Hifi for life .]

Anyway thanks for all your kind help !

 

[staticV3]

Yes, Svs own advice is high level. At least with the SB1000 PRO. Using a pair of speaker cables. The other SVs subs-always low level (RCA.).

Did SVS give a reason for why they recommend Speaker level only for the SB1000 Pro?

 

[Hifi for life .]

Did SVS give a reason for why they recommend Speaker level only for the SB1000 Pro?

Because of Yamaha fixed low pass 100 Hz filter .

And of course they’d prefer you to use their own DSP. You bypass the low pass by using high level connections on the Yamaha .

I do own the N132. Which can be upgraded to Dirac. I’ve asked BluOs support whether the sub output can be adjusted depending on your own preferences. Low pass-high level .

Not clue . What so ever . I am getting bit tired of the N132. The plastic design .

My plan is to try Wim first to learn the ropes. Buy the Mini DSP Flex (which I believe has 4 sub outputs.) Learn about REW waterfalls .

As mentioned the Wiim could be starting point .

 

[Chrispy]

Thanks ! I appreciate the feedback! Many experts here !

Most use 80 Hz with stand mounted anyways. Still it would be full range. Not sure how the Evoke 20 would like that .

Should the Ultra streamer be ticket …Some say it can work but I’d might need to set Yamaha volume control to fixed settings.

I would probably get used to it, but if @Member 90125 uses the Ultra streamer. I am hoping he’d would tell me if the Ultra streamer is the way forward, and I don’t need to adjust the AS701 volume control.

One Van Damme RCA cable from sub LFE connection to the Ultra streamer sub output. Connect the Ultra steamer to the Yamaha .

Yeah … The dealer is con artist.

Yes, Svs own advice is high level. At least with the SB1000 PRO. Using a pair of speaker cables. The other SVs subs-always low level (RCA.).

80hz is an often recommended crossover point; people doing the lpf blending thing do various things. IIRC your Evoke 20s have an f3 in the low 40s so 80 would probably work well enough. I didn't look into the jerry rigging multiple units together. Maybe just get an appropriate single box that has the features/connectivity you need. AVRs do work rather well for managing subs.

If your Yamaha had better connectivity there might be other ways to go than trying a workaround; and some SVS subs can provide a crossover for the speakers. This is why I haven't found 2ch integrated amps generally very interesting for a long time now.

ps rather than buying a wiim I'd first try the sub with what you've got, maybe trying both types of connections....might save you some bucks if you find satisfaction that way

 

[staticV3]

My plan is to try Wim first to learn the ropes. Buy the Mini DSP Flex (which I believe has 4 sub outputs.) Learn about REW waterfalls .

As mentioned the Wiim could be starting point .

WiiM can be a great end point as well as it'll get you 90% of the way there with way less complexity, though still some room to grow, like for example by using a UMIK + REW in favor of RoomFit. More on that here.

A miniDSP Flex OTOH can become a rabbit hole of much greater dimensions with phase correction, waveforming, Linkwitz Transforms and so much more. See @OCA's YouTube channel to get an impression of that.

IMO, there is some value in keeping things simple with just PEQ and basic sub integration control as can be found on the WiiM.

At the very least, it'll leave you with more time to enjoy your music, while still making dramatic improvements to sound quality.

 

[Hifi for life .]

ps rather than buying a wiim I'd first try the sub with what you've got, maybe trying both types of connections....might save you some bucks if you find satisfaction that way

I’ll see…

I know many AVR has bass management, and has come long way music wise. Probably not as good like a proper stereo amp but good enough.

Arcam has always done well in his department.

I’ll maybe order the Ultra steamer tomorrow. But I need to certain the streamer doesn’t interfere with the Yamaha volume control .

It is shame the the AS701 cannot like power amp .

But, sorry. Does the person above use the Ultra streamer connection to the AS701 ?

 

[Hifi for life .]

WiiM can be a great end point as well as it'll get you 90% of the way there with way less complexity, though still some room to grow, like for example by using a UMIK + REW in favor of RoomFit. More on that here.

A miniDSP Flex OTOH can become a rabbit hole of much greater dimensions with phase correction, waveforming, Linkwitz Transforms and so much more. See @OCA's YouTube channel to get an impression of that.

IMO, there is some value in keeping things simple with just PEQ and basic sub integration control as can be found on the WiiM.

At the very least, it'll leave you with more time to enjoy your music, while still making dramatic improvements to sound quality.

Sub listing to time by Floyd.,,

 

[Chrispy]

I’ll see…

I know many AVR has bass management, and has come long way music wise. Probably not as good like a proper stereo amp but good enough.

Arcam has always done well in his department.

I’ll maybe order the Ultra steamer tomorrow. But I need to certain the streamer doesn’t interfere with the Yamaha volume control .

It is shame the the AS701 cannot like power amp .

But, sorry. Does the person above use the Ultra streamer connection to the AS701 ?

AVRs have been fine music wise for a very long time. What is a proper stereo amp? A good power amp with a good pre-amp? Integrated amps never did it for me, just a receiver without a tuner.

Yes, be nice if your Yamaha had the traditional processor/tape loops or main-in/pre-out terminals.....but even though I have gear like that it's my least used, only one 2ch system...four multich systems with avrs as bases. Mostly about music/audio but do like my video as well. The Yamaha 701 is okay but not really any better than an avr.

 

[thcdru2k]

I’ll see…

I know many AVR has bass management, and has come long way music wise. Probably not as good like a proper stereo amp but good enough.

Arcam has always done well in his department.

I’ll maybe order the Ultra steamer tomorrow. But I need to certain the streamer doesn’t interfere with the Yamaha volume control .

It is shame the the AS701 cannot like power amp .

But, sorry. Does the person above use the Ultra streamer connection to the AS701 ?

The volume control would have to be controlled by WiiM Ultra otherwise you would lose proper subwoofer/speaker integration. The WiiM Ultra becomes your preamp, the yamaha becomes a glorified dedicated amp. You would just set the Yamaha at one specific volume and not touch it essentially ever again.

 

[Hifi for life .]

The volume control would have to be controlled by WiiM Ultra otherwise you would lose proper subwoofer/speaker integration. The WiiM Ultra becomes your preamp, the yamaha becomes a glorified dedicated amp. You would just set the Yamaha at one specific volume and not touch it essentially ever again.

Thanks ! I’ll try this first !

Cannot wait to try RF etc.

I’ll probably just leave the volume on the amp on 8 o clock as an example.

But can I use the digital inputs on the amp the steamer . I guess the sub /RF would not work then .

 

[staticV3]

But can I use the digital inputs on the amp the steamer . I guess the sub /RF would not work then .

WiiM can do sub integration and room correction with Mains output via SPDIF and Sub output via RCA Sub out.

But the WiiM's DAC technically (not audibly) trumps the Yamaha's, so you wouldn't gain anything from feeding the Yamaha digitally.

 

[Hifi for life .]

The ultra steamer is not available to order for few weeks .

Only the Ultra amp .

And the Vibelink and the Ultra. Would I win anything by buying both this instead of just one Ultra amp ?

 

[staticV3]

Would I win anything by buying both this instead of just one Ultra amp ?

The ability to change your Amp to suit evolving needs as you change speakers, location, etc.

Additionally, the Ultra has direct Phono input where the Amp Ultra only has Line input.

If you ever decide to listen to Vinyl, then you could save the money and clutter of an external Phono Pre which would be required with the Amp Ultra.

Lastly, the Ultra has SPDIF output which can come in handy if you do decide to give phase correction/Dirac etc. a try.

In that case, a more sophisticated DSP like a miniDSP can be connected via SPDIF, turning the WiiM into a pure transport which keeps the number of signal conversions low and signal transparency high.

With the Amp Ultra you're mostly bound to the internal Amp and the internal DSP.

(Yes, technically you could connect an external DSP+DAC and to it an external Amp, all via the Amp Ultra's USB output, turning it also into a pure transport, but that'd be rather wasteful hence stupid.)

 

[Hifi for life .]

Should I buy the Vibelink and the Ulta.

Would I lose any volume gain , since I’m used to Yamaha .

I’ve read some where you have turn the volume pretty loud to get things going .

 

[staticV3]

Should I buy the Vibelink and the Ulta.

Would I lose any volume gain , since I’m used to Yamaha .

The Vibelink can play 90% as loud as the Yamaha.
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If you're not maxing out your Yamaha, then there'll be no difference in volume gain with the Vibelink.

 

[Hifi for life .]

Orded the Ultra Amp. As I understand it measures extremely well (the digital input .)

I know there is no coax , strange …Many websites claim does .

Should it not be any better then the Yamaha, I’ll try finding an amp which can can act like power amp, and use the Ultra streamer as a pre pre amp. It could work volume wise .

I shall try both optical and the RCA outputs. Hopefully I’ll manage to borrow a sub too…

Well the RCA outputs digitalis the sound ? Not sure it is the right word . I know Lyngdorf does .

 

[Hifi for life .]

Or I’ll just keep the Yamaha and try using a sub full range .