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Streamer and DAC considerations

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I've been gaining interest in the PS Audio StellarGold DAC and Airlens streamer. From what I've gathered, PS Audio isn't very highly thought of around here, so I figured I'd see what people would prefer instead. Let's stick with a $4-6k new retail price for both options combined, but I am open to used suggesting as well.

I think my biggest feature requirements would be Tidal and Qobuz connect on the steamer.

Thanks for any suggestions!
 
How important are aesthetics or particular use this unit might provide? Otherwise you may as well have more functional and better priced gear.....you could use a phone or computer or other devices.....
 
How important are aesthetics or particular use this unit might provide? Otherwise you may as well have more functional and better priced gear.....you could use a phone or computer or other devices.....
I already have a Cambridge CXN v2, and the slot on the rack can easily fit a full rack width unit and about 6" tall.

I've also got space on the rack below if needed.
 
I already have a Cambridge CXN v2, and the slot on the rack can easily fit a full rack width unit and about 6" tall.

I've also got space on the rack below if needed.
Not sure what that has to do with my question.
 
Not sure what that has to do with my question.
Sorry, I was mostly addressing the phone statement and pointing out that I'm looking to upgrade my existing device which I feel surpasses a phone or computer plugged into a DAC. I'd like to maintain that functional hence my focus on Tidal and Qobuz Connect.

For asthetics, as long as it fits in my rack I'm generally going to be open to it.
 
Sorry, I was mostly addressing the phone statement and pointing out that I'm looking to upgrade my existing device which I feel surpasses a phone or computer plugged into a DAC. I'd like to maintain that functional hence my focus on Tidal and Qobuz Connect.

For asthetics, as long as it fits in my rack I'm generally going to be open to it.
Ah, so you have a functioning unit and looking for what particular improvement/aesthetics/ergonomics?
 
Ah, so you have a functioning unit and looking for what particular improvement/aesthetics/ergonomics?
Mostly improvements in detail and soundstage size. I feel my current unit leaves soundstage depth and width to be desired. Plus Cambridge has been painfully slow with Qobuz Connect integration and it has me questioning software updates and support in the coming years.
 
Your account was made almost five years ago. Have you read *anything* here in those five years? A streamer and/or DAC is not going to affect detail and soundstage size.
 
Your account was made almost five years ago. Have you read *anything* here in those five years? A streamer and/or DAC is not going to affect detail and soundstage size.
For the most part no. I was researching streamers, stumbled back on this forum, went to set up an account, discovered that I had set one up and forgot about it years ago.
 
I'm looking to upgrade my existing device which I feel surpasses a phone or computer plugged into a DAC.
As far as sound quality, the digital data is the same, and the analog output of MOST DACs (including whatever is built into your computer or phone) are already better than human hearing. (I had once a soundcard that made noise when the hard drive was accessed, but that's not common and it's a specific and easily identifiable problem.)

You may have other reasons to "upgrade" but not for sound quality unless you've got some kind of problem. Different speakers (or headphones) will ALWAYS sound different (better or worse). EQ can obviously change the sound. Of course a higher-power amplifier can go louder, if your speakers can take it. Or, I like to use the "hall" or "theater" setting on my AVR for some delayed reverb in the rear speakers and the "feel" of a bigger room.

Mostly improvements in detail and soundstage size
"Detail" isn't really defined. Personally, I'd associate more detail with boosted high frequencies, but Dan Clark (headphone manufacturer) says that headphones with more distortion are often described as "detailed"!!!

Soundstage mostly comes from the recording, but your brain is also involved since an illusion with the sound really coming from a pair of speakers.

The electronics don't affect soundstage unless you have a "blend" or balance control or something like that.

Floyd Toole says:
The important localization and soundstage information is the responsibility of the recording engineer, not the loudspeaker...

...Soundstage and imaging is determined by recordings.
But speakers and room acoustics do contribute. Dipole and omnidirectional speakers create more "immersion" and I believe a bigger but less precise soundstage.
 
Thank you. Any experience with the A-10? I have considered hunting down a demo of their gear but haven't made it happen yet.
No. I have a WiiM Ultra. I simply remembered from reading about the Eversolo they are Qobuz connect ready as you mentioned that was important. I'm sure there are other streamers that are these happened to be a couple I was aware of.
 
As far as sound quality, the digital data is the same, and the analog output of MOST DACs (including whatever is built into your computer or phone) are already better than human hearing. (I had once a soundcard that made noise when the hard drive was accessed, but that's not common and it's a specific and easily identifiable problem.)

You may have other reasons to "upgrade" but not for sound quality unless you've got some kind of problem. Different speakers (or headphones) will ALWAYS sound different (better or worse). EQ can obviously change the sound. Of course a higher-power amplifier can go louder, if your speakers can take it. Or, I like to use the "hall" or "theater" setting on my AVR for some delayed reverb in the rear speakers and the "feel" of a bigger room.


"Detail" isn't really defined. Personally, I'd associate more detail with boosted high frequencies, but Dan Clark (headphone manufacturer) says that headphones with more distortion are often described as "detailed"!!!

Soundstage mostly comes from the recording, but your brain is also involved since an illusion with the sound really coming from a pair of speakers.

The electronics don't affect soundstage unless you have a "blend" or balance control or something like that.

Floyd Toole says:

But speakers and room acoustics do contribute. Dipole and omnidirectional speakers create more "immersion" and I believe a bigger but less precise soundstage.
So back to my original question, what pieces would you buy with my original budget?
 
Thanks for any suggestions!
Hey bud, welcome to ASR. :)
IMO, forget about PS Audio products (not their speakers though)... they're just overpriced in comparison to the many other options available. Don't believe any of their marketing rubbish or subjective "reviewers"... especially Uncle Paul himself.

As @DVDdoug and others have mentioned, DAC's are generally transparent and streamers on digital outputs.

So you would like a DAC & streamer... already mentioned, Eversolo, Wiim, heaps of others here in the review index and ones not in there are on the main review page;


JSmith
 
For the most part no. I was researching streamers, stumbled back on this forum, went to set up an account, discovered that I had set one up and forgot about it years ago.

OK, fair point. In that case, as others have mentioned above, a streamer should have no sound of its own and should have no impact on sound quality. It's all about features and functionality and appearance. Most of that applies to DACs as well.
 
I've been gaining interest in the PS Audio StellarGold DAC and Airlens streamer. From what I've gathered, PS Audio isn't very highly thought of around here, so I figured I'd see what people would prefer instead. Let's stick with a $4-6k new retail price for both options combined, but I am open to used suggesting as well.

I think my biggest feature requirements would be Tidal and Qobuz connect on the steamer.

Thanks for any suggestions!
That doesn't mean get rid of your DAC/Streamer. I assume they're working perfectly
 
So back to my original question, what pieces would you buy with my original budget?
As others have said, streamers and DACs are not devices that influence sound, contrary to what the industry wants you to believe.

So, spend your money on tools that help you actually do that, which are mostly speakers, and anything that influences your room, like treatment or room correction devices.

Since your current streamer isn't up to your liking due to a slow-ish interface, you might just want to look at a WiiM Ultra, which gives you decent performance, a very good DAC, and adds room EQ possibilities. Eversolo was also mentioned; it also has EQ, and is a bit higher budget, and physically might fit your needs better. In either case, you'll have plenty of cash left after the purchase.

And don't forget to buy a measurement mic; having data is the single most important starting point when trying to improve your room acoustics.
 
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