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Stereophile doubles down on the snake oil!

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My my, don't you have a golden ear.
I'm so impressed.
Sal, if you can't hear the difference anyway, then why do you care? At some point, we have to acknowledge that if we are committed to high fidelity, that commitment expresses as something we can detect. Otherwise, who cares?

Rick "didn't see this post from Matt as claiming golden ears" Denney
 
Sal, if you can't hear the difference anyway, then why do you care? At some point, we have to acknowledge that if we are committed to high fidelity, that commitment expresses as something we can detect. Otherwise, who cares?

Rick "didn't see this post from Matt as claiming golden ears" Denney
Sounds like braggin to me ???
 
‘Expert reviewer’, ‘military intelligence’.
Keith
 
I've tested my skills, such as they are, but I'm human, too.

But which requires more boastfulness? Expressing confidence in one's skills or deriding someone else for doing so?

Rick "just sayin'" Denney
 
A new $65000 compact loudspeaker review from Stereophile, conclusion

The AN-E/SPx Ltd. Field Coil transcends technical analysis, offering a "meat and blood" immediacy that captured the very essence of every record I wanted to hear. Its integration of deep bass, clean midrange, and silken treble created a unified, emotionally resonant whole. This is music playback of extraordinary beauty, a near-supernatural experience that left me dumbstruck and humbled.

and measurements
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Source and more: https://www.stereophile.com/content/audio-note-espx-ltd-field-coil-loudspeaker
 
I, too, have taken the testing for distortion and found myself unable to detect differences with distortion levels much higher than most would suppose.

However, I can still detect very slight spectral tilts and the presence of timbre-modifying harmonic distortions. These are generally not present in the electronics of today (at least unless intentionally colored) but they are still present in transducers and in the vintage equipment that interests me.

But I can easily hear distortion with test tones to levels much lower than with music. The difference between the -60 dB distortion in one signal generator and the -96 dB distortion in another was subtle but easy to hear, when playing a 1 KHz sine wave. The distortion at -45 from yet another signal generator was not subtle in comparison. While it is true that the music of the tests I took masks harmonic distortions at those levels, I do expect those distortions to become audible in certain situations, even if rare.

And the distortion related to clipping, or the strategies taken by different equipment to manage clipping, is likewise audible enough to detect or evaluate with training and experience. Of course, in the presence of audible clipping, distortion levels rise quickly to levels easily detected. The experience helps to detect it on dynamic percussion or sharp musical attacks where the clipping occurs for only a brief period. I don't find many measurement-based reviews to cover that aspect of performance, and it is still not obvious as to whether one amplifier (or speaker) will play realistic dynamic music louder than another amplifier (or speaker) based on specifications or the reports in reviews, even Amir's reviews.

Another reason there is still room for expert reviewers, in my view, is that they have an opportunity to audition a wide range of equipment in listening environments where they have a lot of listening experience. Few of us have that opportunity, and there seems to me enough variability in the performance of parts of the system to give value to the comparisons.

And one more thing: Reviewers for magazines, if they are any good, review usability aspects that Amir, for example, specifically does not address beyond perhaps a sentence or two about terminal spacings on the rear panel and maybe the impression of the overall aesthetics. Nor does he provide much description of the features and how they are manipulated by the user, but I see those aspects in good professional reviews, too. Amir specifically avoids those precisely because, as he said it, they are already provided in the audio press. For me to want to buy something requires not only excellent measurements but also the right set of features and controls.

All that said, too many reviews suffer from English-Major Disease and look for flowery descriptions and obscure references instead of plain, clear writing. And--with connection back to the subject of this thread--too many reviewers think their role is to be the antidote for measurements, rather than to supplement measurements with aspects the measurements didn't evaluate.

Rick "no problem with opinions when expressed as such" Denney
Very true. My issue is that I quickly realized I couldn’t tell a sincere and excellent reviewer from a charlatan. So I don’t read reviews of subjective experiences in audio much. I also seem to know what I want in terms of features so that isn’t usually an issue (except no one makes what I want and only what I want).

I have been composing, recording, and producing music (as a hobby) for a couple of years now. Much of it electronic. I spend hours listening to the same section and making minor adjustments. Because it is electronic, I can often control the exact nature of most of the elements you mentioned (and control them for acoustic elements once recorded to a lesser degree)

What I have found, is that for me, most of the differences I obsess over aren’t easily apparent when I listen to one night’s bounce verses the next. I can fast A/B them, but I can’t if I allow the sound to exit echoic memory between switches.

It would be nice to have better demonstrations of what you mentioned as having numbers to go with them would make my life easier in terms of knowing exactly what to let go.

Particularly I find a mismatch between how loudness and dynamic range are calculated and how I experience them. Timbre is also very complex but I have found I can read frequency spectrums well enough to diagnose issues.

Anyway, to bring it back on topic, I seem to get far more value from discussion threads when it comes to reviews than I do from solo reviewers, but I would never denigrate someone else finding utility in them.
 
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Absolutely true story, met Dieter ( Trinity Audio) at Munich he was going to make a range of fine measuring yet relatively inexpensive electronic components, they duly arrived and worked well.
Shortly afterwards he sold some units to Audio Exotics in HK they told him the components were ‘too light and too cheap’ for their market.
Dieter designed ‘milled from solid’ cases and swapped the the electronics over ( the exact same boards that had been in the first reasonably priced iteration) price tripled .
I ended our relationship.
Keith
This is an example of "the customer is always right" I guess...
 
Absolutely true story, met Dieter ( Trinity Audio) at Munich he was going to make a range of fine measuring yet relatively inexpensive electronic components, they duly arrived and worked well.
Shortly afterwards he sold some units to Audio Exotics in HK they told him the components were ‘too light and too cheap’ for their market.
Dieter designed ‘milled from solid’ cases and swapped the the electronics over ( the exact same boards that had been in the first reasonably priced iteration) price tripled .
I ended our relationship.
Keith
It has always been that way. Back when I was in high school, I worked at a HiFi shop in Crown Heights where the owner had local kids wire up Dynakits to sell at below factory-wired prices. No one wanted them. However, when he relabeled them as "custom wired" and offered them at prices higher than for factory-wired, they sold rapidly!
 
Are they in Stereopile magazine?
No- it didn't sound like you were limiting it to just that magazine. If you were, ignore my comment.
 
No- it didn't sound like you were limiting it to just that magazine. If you were, ignore my comment.
Sort of, I would include a few of the other audiophool rags reviews. Ive read some of yours and fully endorse them. I doubt any of those rags would publish them.
 
A new $65000 compact loudspeaker review from Stereophile, conclusion

The AN-E/SPx Ltd. Field Coil transcends technical analysis, offering a "meat and blood" immediacy that captured the very essence of every record I wanted to hear. Its integration of deep bass, clean midrange, and silken treble created a unified, emotionally resonant whole. This is music playback of extraordinary beauty, a near-supernatural experience that left me dumbstruck and humbled.

and measurements
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Source and more: https://www.stereophile.com/content/audio-note-espx-ltd-field-coil-loudspeaker
Well shoot, you stole my thunder, I was waiting for the public release. ;)
 
However, I can still detect very slight spectral tilts and the presence of timbre-modifying harmonic distortions. These are generally not present in the electronics of today (at least unless intentionally colored) but they are still present in transducers and in the vintage equipment that interests me.

I’m fairly good at getting a bead on the general characteristics of loudspeaker. If I perceive there’s an obvious scoop out in the mid range, and emphasis in the highs, an emphasis in the bass or whatever, that tends to be reflected in the measurements of a loudspeaker.

That shouldn’t be too surprising because if the measurements didn’t predict or correlate at all what we hear then they wouldn’t do us much good.

If there were only speakers that measured like a Revel Salon speaker, then predicting what you’re going to hear from those type of measurements is going to be much easier. But in the wild west of loud speakers, there is such variation out there it can be hard to fully predict the sum total subjective impression of a collection of frequency response deviations, or colorations. Some surprise me in terms of how benign they seem to be.

I can’t tell exactly whether I’m going to love the sound of a loudspeaker or be left on moved just from the measurements.

So for instance, I auditioned the Paradigm Persona loudspeaker.

I found it generally, extremely clear sounding and well balanced. With the exception that I was finding myself fatigued by a peak in the highs. I didn’t try to determine its exact frequency response, but I noticed it wasn’t necessarily showing up in the usual suspects like female sibilants but higher up - more in things like high hats, high notes in violins, etc. It was there enough to make the sound fatiguing over time for me and I scratched that speaker off my list.

And then later I saw Kal’s Stereophile review of those paradigm loudspeakers, where Kal and his subjective impressions also noted this. He wrote:

“But it's those bells that remind me to comment on something about the upper treble of the 5F that had nothing to do with quality, as the sound was consistently transparent. It was the balance of the HF around, I'm guessing, 10kHz, that at first seemed a bit prominent with respect to the upper midrange.”

And then in the measurements…boom!… there it is:

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On the other hand, when I first heard the Joseph Perspective speakers, I noticed a bit of a rise in the highs, but it didn’t bother me at all (as it did John Atkinson), and I found the overall sound of speaker was rich and smooth and easy to listen to over long periods of time.

I now own the newer “2” version of these speakers which have smoothed down the highs is a bit more, but you can see the rise, especially in the original version here, starts a slower rise from 5K up towards 10 K and beyond:

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So there is some similarity in that rise of the high-end to the Paradigm speakers, though not quite as aggressive, a peak at 10 K but again in listening, I found one of them fatiguing, and the other one completely engaging and non-fatiguing.

I personally wouldn’t have been able to predict that just from the measurements.

Another reason there is still room for expert reviewers, in my view, is that they have an opportunity to audition a wide range of equipment in listening environments where they have a lot of listening experience. Few of us have that opportunity, and there seems to me enough variability in the performance of parts of the system to give value to the comparisons.

Agreed.

I have certainly found value in some reviewer’s reports. And sometimes, often even, they have been the only available
“ front line” bit of information on many loudspeakers I’ve been interested in.
 
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A new $65000 compact loudspeaker review from Stereophile, conclusion

The AN-E/SPx Ltd. Field Coil transcends technical analysis, offering a "meat and blood" immediacy that captured the very essence of every record I wanted to hear. Its integration of deep bass, clean midrange, and silken treble created a unified, emotionally resonant whole. This is music playback of extraordinary beauty, a near-supernatural experience that left me dumbstruck and humbled.

and measurements
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Source and more: https://www.stereophile.com/content/audio-note-espx-ltd-field-coil-loudspeaker

In true subjective-review fashion, the author states that the AN metal stands made a huge improvement over his wooden stands, and that bi-wiring was essential. Bi-wiring produced "more presence and girth," which are attributes lovers sometimes tell me I need.... ;)

From the article, AN makes 18 models of this 2-way, all with a 1-inch tweeter and an 8-inch woofer. Priced from ~$6K to $395K/pair. Yes, $395K/pair.... :facepalm: The top models get the field-coil drivers, and I think this is the cheapest of 4 models, but the AN-UK website is unclear.

The field-coil's electromagnet needs a power source, so these come with an external power supply box with an umbilical to the speaker. The review did not mention the smell of ozone, which I understand is a common by-product of field coils, and is a nasty indoor pollutant.

From the AudioNote UK website:

"Now, the question arises as to why revisit an older, now largely redundant technology?

That is because of the sound. The effect is not that there is more in terms of quantity from the speakers, there isn’t, there’s actually less. They sound calmer, more relaxed and graceful, yet there is now more information – in terms of tonality, subtle inflection, and atmosphere. What was previously obscured is now revealed. The scales have fallen from your ears!" :eek:

Based on the measurements, these speakers certainly give you less, above 10K Hertz. So in that respect, AN is actually truthful. :rolleyes:

To remove scales, Amazon has this for $9:

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Yeah these expensive cables improving sound quality are nonsense. Can we do CD players and DAC's next LOL?
 
I imagine it must be terribly frustrating not being able to state a forthright opinion.
Keith
 
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