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Stereophile doubles down on the snake oil!

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The multichannel discussion's another source of perpetual amusement to me. :)
Since I am all about context, I thought it'd be interesting to dig back a bit into the early days of multichannel consumer audio. The issue of two vs. three-channel "stereo" is a bit peripheral, so I am skipping that and concentrating on what would become known as "quad" or (early on) "four-channel stereo".
Just for fun* I just did a limited search of the Audio magazine database at worldradiohistory.com for "four channel". Here are a couple-three interesting, fairly early takes. :)

https://www.worldradiohistory.com/A...o/70s/Audio-1970-11.pdf#search="four channel" pg 36
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https://www.worldradiohistory.com/A...o/70s/Audio-1972-07.pdf#search="four channel" pg. 30
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https://www.worldradiohistory.com/A...o/70s/Audio-1971-10.pdf#search="four channel" pg 20
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Hopefully, even though I’ve ended up in your “ more money than sense” category I have avoided your “audiophool” category :D
FWIW you seem to defend this crap all too often
 
I'm getting confused, I need a verdict. Is multichannel audio snake oil or not? And is Stereophile doubling down on it?
 
I'm getting confused, I need a verdict. Is multichannel audio snake oil or not? And is Stereophile doubling down on it?
Is that sarcasm? Multich audio is the SOTA for both music and video home enjoyment. 4.0 to 13+ discrete channels of high resolution digital
masters. If you can afford it and have the room, it doesn't get any better than that.

Next to nothing was ever released in 7.1. It pretty much went from 5.1 to Atmos.
True for music sources but most modern movies are released with with 7.1 & Atmos soundtracks. The AVRs will downmix 7.1 to 5.1 if that's your speaker layout
 
Is this the ' multi channel , merits of ' thread or the avalanche of desperate shite magazines feed you in order to sell stuff .

The former , i dont think anyone can argue the potential control multiple channel offers beats 2 speakers .

The latter, well , talks of sleepless nights over speaker replacement/placement makes me think there's a whole lot of mental illness being encouraged and worse exploitation of folks and their wallets going on . I'd not personally want to work for or have my work represent by those that encouraged that.

To me Stereophile magazine is a shameful den of shite , but when there's jobs on the line , its tricky! So I don't hold anyone personally to blame .

Why folks here still insist its relevant is beyond me .
 
The tone of the discussion has degraded to ad hominem attacks. I though this was supposed not to happen in ASR. I guess that some people need to keep “their pants on”. Really.
 
The trend and demand is for less ,, one speaker not a gazillion!

True, but there can be more than one trend coexisting. There are always markets within markets. After the move from analog to digital, the biggest 'trend' of all of them in home audio has been the mass movement from buying physical media to streaming audio. The rest are rivulets of a mighty river.
 
The big difference being that you can't make fashion objective. It is always a matter of taste or a matter of following the trends.
You can, kinda. Just like cables for example, clothes have objective criteria that make them fit for the job. There definitely is a practical aspect, just like cables are supposed to be sufficiently conductive. Then comes aesthetics: just like cables, people won't buy downright ugly clothes, while the cheap "good enough" category sells well. Tastes differ, but the higher the price level, the more it's usually about aesthetics in both cases - special applications (artic climates for example) aside. At a point it becomes almost pure bling bling and jewellery.

There are definitely parallels in how we treat these things personally and socially.
 
Is there a full moon or something in the air? One member is taking a thread break and rather not have more.

Please dial it down a bit here. Thanks!
 
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Seems we have other threads about how many speakers are useful and seems rather off topic here as well.

This thread is getting a break to clean up the wounds now that the raging battle has subsided.
 
Have initiated a first pass the deleted off topic and argumentative posts that I will blame on Friday the 13th.

I have also determined that the thread went off-topic but have not determined how to disposition as it is almost half the entire thread!

Going to re-open while I figure out where to land about 16 pages of off-roading in this thread.
 
OH BROTHER, I just finished reading the July 2025 Stereophile review of the Audio Note UK AN-E/SPx Field Coil speaker.
A $65,000 a pair, passive, with one 1" Tweeter, and one 8" field coil woofer, in a 31" x 14" x 10" Birch Plywood monkey coffin ???
What could possible make this thing that expensive?
I can't wait for the review to go public and I can link it here. The beautiful prose by Ken Micallef really bears repeating. I never realized
how much std ferrite magnets can degenerate sound quality so much in comparison to electric field coils? Awesome really. Maybe in a month
I'll be able to link in the full review here, your gonna love it. :facepalm:

Then onto John Atkinson artfully dodging the bullet over the speakers poor measurements, calling it "somewhat idiosyncratic" with great care
being needed for placement/setup. Good Job John ! LOL

Welcome back my friends, to the show that never ends !
Here's a special bit of beautiful top quality vinyl playback. ;)

 
What could possible make this thing that expensive?

It is not always pure production costs making a speaker expensive. But as a rule of thumb, field coil systems tend to get expensive quickly with all manufacturers, as the drivers are produced in very small lots with high amount of complex labor necessary, and not many of standard parts can be utilized. My understanding would be that people who buy such, are aware of that. Does not say anything about price/performance or if the speaker in question is worth it, though.
 
Back to snake oil, particularly cables : The cough, Absolute Sound presents another iteration, $34,000/6-foot length power cord:

"Almost all of us have heard the sonic differences that elite power cords can make. The rub, of course, is that differences are not necessarily improvements; instead, they can amount to distinctive sonic flavors..."

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Back to snake oil, particularly cables : The cough, Absolute Sound presents another iteration, $34,000/6-foot length power cord:

"Almost all of us have heard the sonic differences that elite power cords can make. The rub, of course, is that differences are not necessarily improvements; instead, they can amount to distinctive sonic flavors..."

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A bit of a disappointment, surely. It is 2025 already and they still have not hit the 100K mark.
 
Back to snake oil, particularly cables : The cough, Absolute Sound presents another iteration, $34,000/6-foot length power cord:

"Almost all of us have heard the sonic differences that elite power cords can make. The rub, of course, is that differences are not necessarily improvements; instead, they can amount to distinctive sonic flavors..."
LOL, been there, done that.
I posted Stereophile's gushing - awarding of the "2024 Product Of The Year $34,000 Crystal power cords back in Early Feb 2025. LOL
 
There’s a whole top of page article on why cables matter: https://www.stereophile.com/content/colloms-cables

It’s worth a read just to witness the mental gymnastics at play.
I don't know about the Martin Colloms person, but with due respect, JA seems like a very knowledgeable person in this field even if he might not have formal education in EE (don't really know that, but..). So, I feel sad that even someone like him don't seem to be able to remain unbiased, and based his comments much more on facts, objective measurements than his apparent reliance on subjective measurements time and again (don't know why, but I could guess). I also have to wonder what would be his hearing like, just in terms of hearing the frequency range from say, 10,000-25,000 Hz lol..., let alone discernibility. I would have thought to be able to hear difference due to well made cables, and/or electronics such as preamps, power amps, dacs etc., one need to have very good capabilities in actually hearing/discerning the very little differences that could be, and had been shown in bench measurements.
 
There are business implications to Stereophile's recent decision to drop comments. Namely, their web traffic will likely drop between 10% - 20%.

I don't believe in arguments from authority, except when they're from me. Since I worked on and ran tech web sites (with which the engineers on this site would be familiar) for 25 years, I will make them:

I see Stereophile's web site, as a matter of deliberate strategy, moving AWAY from being a site for readers. It is repositioning itself as a site aimed at advertisers (i.e., keeping current advertisers and appealing to potential new ones. We see this from their ending of comments, which kneecaps reader engagement (let's send our sympathy to Mr. Glotz). We see it in their new practice of loading up the site with "two paragraphs and a photo" posts about the latest tabletops at the current show. These posts are designed to get keywords onto google, so SP's sales folks can tell a marketing story to advertisers about how they give them visibility. Further, it covers up the fact that they have fewer and fewer lengthy reviews, which is undoubtedly a result of pressure on their editorial budget (i.e., the amount of money they have to pay freelancers each month).

Net, net, Stereophile is shifting from a site based on long articles of interest to readers to a DIRECTORY of equipment. As part of their marketing story, they are probably telling advertisers that "readers come here to search for equipment that they're planning on buying. So you, Ms. (/s) Advertiser, want to be here when they make that search." That's a much better spiel than "we don't run much in the way of interesting articles anymore, so we're starting to lose readers. And when those readers want to buy something, they go search on Google like everybody else."

I don't know if its very telling of anything but just today I received my July 2025 issue and it's the thinnest one in recent memory, 114 pages.

As for print Stereophile, the size shrinkage that @Sal1950 points to is not because the pool is cold (Seinfeld reference), it's the natural trajectory of all print magazines since the web began its ascendancy in 1994. (Yes, I know it was invented '92. Early adopter publishers starting jumping on it ca. 1994. Anyway, that's when I launched my first online column.) To give SP credit, they have held on longer, much longer than most. Probably because of their almost total boomer demographic. But now the, er, transconductance of the audience is sagging way below spec, and there are fewer heaters burning the lights by which one can read print.

SP currently charges $5,000 for a full page ad, discounted to $3,000 if you buy it 12x (every issue). Industry ballpark average is 50% editorial, 50% ads. So let's say we have 55 pages of ads, and let's be generous and say they're booking $4,000 a page. That's $220,000 of ad revenue per month, plus de minimus subscription revenue. They're printing 70k copies. The press run, i.e. printing the mag, is hugely expensive. And then there's postage, which has gotten way more expensive than it used to be. And then finally there are staff salaries and the ever shrinking freelance budget. And rent, phones, whatever. They are likely barely breaking even or making little dribbles of cash. (The web site probably doesn't contribute much revenue. This phenomenon is called analog (ad) dollars into digital pennies.)

The inevitable next step after the 114 page issue that Sal mentions are: moving from perfect bound (having a spine like a book) to side saddle (three staples and a mule). Sorry. In English, this means the magazine is not thick enough to support having the cover glued to the spine. It's too thin, so it's just folded in half (like a tabloid newspaper) and you put staples in the fold to keep the pages from falling out.

And the next step after that will be to save money by cutting the trim size. This means using a smaller page, length x width. SP's current trim size is 8- 1/8 x 10-1/4 inches. Apparently, SP INCREASED their trim size sometime in the 1980s, to reposition themselves from a digest into something that looks more luxe. But print costs are a huge expense, so I see this as inevitable at some point soon down the road.

Ofc they will say it will be for the convenience of you the reader. And who can argue that it isn't easier for a 70 year old sitting on the pot to read a magazine that you can hold with one hand? (I must credit that line -- a magazine you can hold with one hand -- to the immortal Jimmy Breslin. Though of course he was talking about a different kind of magazine. One with pictures.)
 
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