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Stereophile doubles down on the snake oil!

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The funny thing, for me, about records (FWIW): there are, literally, several  thousand of them here*, and decent albeit not world class playback hardware, too -- bit I rarely play any of them any more. The reason is simple: too much effort! Still, today, the easiest resource, for me, i.e., the quickest, easiest way from urge to listen to something to actually hearing it, is to spin up a CD.

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* I am not bragging, nor am I proud of that -- I am just saying.
 
And now back to stereophile…

Stereophile appears to have disabled comments on some of their articles.

E.g., there's no commenting box on the top article this morning on the latest revived Garrard 301, as well as no commenting box on one or two others. Many articles however DO have commenting available. I'm posting this because I've never seen this before and wonder if others have seen this previously. Stereophile did a while back stop showing the number of comments next to the headline. So perhaps this is the next step forward (backward?).

Not really any loss. Those comment sections often got vicious and I'd guess they didn't want the overhead cost of monitoring them.

Added to which no advertiser wants comments under their glowing review that are along the lines of 'What a rip-off!'

There are business implications to Stereophile's recent decision to drop comments. Namely, their web traffic will likely drop between 10% - 20%. (This guesstimate is based on my personal experience running tech websites. Btw, I'm being conservative.)

The thought experiment that verifies this is: Do we think there are people who go to SP only for the articles? Obviously, there is a not insubstantial group of people who go to Stereophile to read, or to participate in, the combative commentary. Those folks now no longer have any reason to go there, except when there's a real review by someone like Kal R. But nobody goes there to read those many, many, many, many two paragraph stories on some cable table at a show. Those are just there to get the advertiser keywords onto google, providing visibility for the little write-up so that the ad sales team can then go to the vendor and say "Look how much visibility we can get your cable or DAC or network switch or whatever."

This to me means the snake oil business writ large is devolving further. Stereophile has, sensibly I believe, decided that it's better to take a traffic hit than to annoy advertisers or potential advertisers (as @Mart68 correctly points out above) whose oil they are shining in hopes of selling an ad.

Notwithstanding the commenting ban, we will still have the sparkling prose of Mr. Austin's monthly "As We See ̶M̶Q̶A̶ It" column to look forward to.
 
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JSmith
Of course there are many words that could be used however they would be offensive.
 
Yes, unless there is a lot of bass like metal music.
I have a cartridge that easily handles the dreaded Telarc bass drum and the Firebird album's ending bass drum strokes with aplomb. Looking at the Firebird record on that spot, the groove wiggles are quite visible, and the inter-groove spacing is increased in that area to handle the excursions. The cartridge is the Denon DL-301 II. So it is possible to track pretty large bass excursions on vinyl, system willing, although admittedly a digital format could handle limitless excursions since it is non-mechanical.
 
This to me means the snake oil business writ large is devolving further. Stereophile has, sensibly I believe, decided that it's better to take a traffic hit than to annoy advertisers or potential advertisers (as @Mart68 correctly points out above) whose oil they are shining in hopes of selling an ad.
I've never seen another industry where the veneer of editorial independence is so thin as to be basically nonexistent, except maybe video game media. A good chunk of audiophile reviews, especially ones from traditional media like magazines, contain a blurb about the reviewer hanging out socially with the people who work for the company whose stuff they are writing about, in some cases they've known each other for decades. If you let someone from this company buy you a meal and several drinks at a trade show you can't honestly claim to be any kind of "impartial" reviewer, let alone if you consider them your actual friends.

There's also the vastly more egregious thing where tweako cable/AC power/fuse/network switch woo-woo works 100% of the time, but we already knew about that.
 
Funny Mr @rdenney how you can applaud this post with a"like" but yet attack me for not letting Mikey get away with his BS here?
I’m no fan of Mikey, as you know. But it isn’t Fremer who you are routinely attacking, or his immoderate and technically scornful views, and I don’t think he has many fans here even among those of us who play with vinyl playback technology. The world isn’t quite that binary.

Rick “it is possible to approach vinyl playback from a data-driven perspective” Denney
 
I have a cartridge that easily handles the dreaded Telarc bass drum and the Firebird album's ending bass drum strokes with aplomb. Looking at the Firebird record on that spot, the groove wiggles are quite visible, and the inter-groove spacing is increased in that area to handle the excursions. The cartridge is the Denon DL-301 II. So it is possible to track pretty large bass excursions on vinyl, system willing, although admittedly a digital format could handle limitless excursions since it is non-mechanical.
As I have stated previously, my Ortofon Verismo can track the the Tacet test record 5Hz test tones without a hiccup.
 
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I’m no fan of Mikey, as you know. But it isn’t Fremer who you are routinely attacking, or his immoderate and technically scornful views, and I don’t think he has many fans here even among those of us who play with vinyl playback technology. The world isn’t quite that binary.

Rick “it is possible to approach vinyl playback from a data-driven perspective” Denney
He's entertaining. He has also probably been wuite deaf for a while.
 
Heart wants what heart wants. Why should we select our audio gear solely by the quantifiable utility value they offer? We don't do that in many other venues of life either. Especially when it comes to selecting our friends (not to mention our spouses), applying a cool rational benefit logic is usually seen as highly negative character trait.
You are the ‘ideal’ customer for a snake oil salesman.
Keith
AMEN Keith!

Why is it from the very beginning the pursuit was called High Fidelity?
Striving to recreate a musical event in the home with the best possible reproduction available at the time.
If playing back your music on a table top FM radio is "good enough" for you, that's fine.
But it's not what the engineers have worked so hard to create for us, and what we who care about the direction of this "hobby" have supported.
If you enjoy playing Edison Cylinders, 78 Shellacs on crank victrolas, RCA 45 big holes, what ever, have your fun.
But none of that has been about the direction of this passion since Edison shouted into the first horn.

The funny thing, for me, about records (FWIW): there are, literally, several  thousand of them here*, and decent albeit not world class playback hardware, too -- bit I rarely play any of them any more. The reason is simple: too much effort! Still, today, the easiest resource, for me, i.e., the quickest, easiest way from urge to listen to something to actually hearing it, is to spin up a CD.
Same here except that back 20-25 years ago I made TOTL needle drop digital recordings of all my LP's then sold them off.
Now with hindsight I wonder why since I can't remember the last time I played any of them.
90% of the time they have been replaced with better sounding remasters from todays genius's such as Steven Wilson, James Guthrie, or Andy Jackson.
Or have been reissued in clean, detailed, discreet Quad, 5.1, or Atmos, etc recordings..
Time marches on, why would I mess about listening to old snap, crackle and pop?

This to me means the snake oil business writ large is devolving further. Stereophile has, sensibly I believe, decided that it's better to take a traffic hit than to annoy advertisers or potential advertisers (as @Mart68 correctly points out above) whose oil they are shining in hopes of selling an ad.
Good post @teched58. I don't know if its very telling of anything but just today I received my July 2025 issue and it's the thinnest one in recent memory, 114 pages. If the snake-oil business really is devolving the trickle-down of support for the cable and vinyl business will follow. The success of the vinyl industry has been mainly created by the lies and BS published there and alike, "digital sounds bad" has been spread there to the point you hear it repeated every day in the Joe Sixpack world. Vinyl Sounds Better can be heard and seen just about everywhere. "a lie told often enough becomes the truth" is the sad result. Why else are tons of folks buying $100 pressings of old analog recordings, enough to grow and spread an entire industry?

So it is possible to track pretty large bass excursions on vinyl, system willing, although admittedly a digital format could handle limitless excursions since it is non-mechanical.
Not unless it's mono'd. Try doing it with the source more than a few db out of L/R balance and see what that would do to you needle. LOL
Digital could place it anywhere you'd like from a hard L or R stage position to anywhere in a Atmos soundfield. ;)
 
AMEN Keith!

Why is it from the very beginning the pursuit was called High Fidelity?
Striving to recreate a musical event in the home with the best possible reproduction available at the time.
If playing back your music on a table top FM radio is "good enough" for you, that's fine.
But it's not what the engineers have worked so hard to create for us, and what we who care about the direction of this "hobby" have supported.
If you enjoy playing Edison Cylinders, 78 Shellacs on crank victrolas, RCA 45 big holes, what ever, have your fun.
But none of that has been about the direction of this passion since Edison shouted into the first horn.
So when I'm aware of the limitations of my hearing abilities, and settle for technical level that achieves/exceed those limits, if the equipment visually appeals to me, that not only makes me somehow an "ideal" mark for snake oil salesmen, but also means that I'm someone who listens to table top radio and Edison Cylinders?

Every time I find that Amir's SINAD list has a new champion, I should run to buy it, because otherwise I don't have the best possible reproduction, and that is all that matters?
 
No one was born with atmos hearing. I have always preferred a 2.0 image to a fake surround "frankenfield" for music. I've never been to a concert where a ricochet behind me or an overhead exploding airplane was part of the musical ensemble. Even on the 1812 overture the cannon is in front!
 
No one was born with atmos hearing.
Really, you can't tell that a airplane is flying over your head?
AFAIK, all humans are born with 3D hearing and sight.

I've never been to a concert where a ricochet behind me or an overhead exploding airplane was part of the musical ensemble.
It's truly unfortunate that your concert going tastes is so limited.
"Look Mommy, there's an airplane up in the sky"
 
Really, you can't tell that a airplane is flying over your head?
AFAIK, all humans are born with 3D hearing and sight.


It's truly unfortunate that your concert going tastes is so limited.
"Look Mommy, there's an airplane up in the sky"
Oh please enlighte us of all the concerts you have attended to where the musicians are behind you, or above you. As far as I know, performances are arranges so you can see them! And whatever acoustics the venue may may have are perceived with just 2 ears!
 
Oh please enlighte us of all the concerts you have attended to where the musicians are behind you, or above you. As far as I know, performances are arranges so you can see them! And whatever acoustics the venue may may have are perceived with just 2 ears!
My my, your so musically sheltered. LOL

"Pink Floyd were pioneers in using surround sound in their live concerts, even before it became commonplace. In 1967, they performed the first-ever surround sound concert, called "Games for May," using a quadraphonic system. They continued to experiment with and refine their surround sound technology, including the use of a custom Azimuth Coordinator to control the sound distribution.
 
My my, your so musically sheltered. LOL

"Pink Floyd were pioneers in using surround sound in their live concerts, even before it became commonplace. In 1967, they performed the first-ever surround sound concert, called "Games for May," using a quadraphonic system. They continued to experiment with and refine their surround sound technology, including the use of a custom Azimuth Coordinator to control the sound distribution.
My last live performance was here!


Rest assured. None of the musicians were hanging form the candelabras nor behind me!
 
Oh please enlighte us of all the concerts you have attended to where the musicians are behind you, or above you. As far as I know, performances are arranges so you can see them! And whatever acoustics the venue may may have are perceived with just 2 ears!
Number of speakers and number of ears have nothing to do with each other. And if you think the sound from the stage stops when it reaches your ears and you aren't hearing the sound interacting with the venue from all directions, including behind and above you, you are quite mistaken.
 
My last live performance was here!


Rest assured. None of the musicians were hanging form the candelabras nor behind me!
What's your point?
What you don't do, many others are.
I got a big clue for ya, even with classical music what the listener hears is determined by the recording engineer.
Except for a tiny minority, the soundstage is a creation of the mixing desk and his knob twisting. 2 mike perfectionist recordings for anything
bigger than a 4 piece jazz band are almost non- existent. So where the musician is in the recording is solely up to the mixer.
And if you believe there are no classical in-the-round recordings ask @Kal Rubinson , or check out some 2L or AIX recordings.
 
Even here! with 100 other people! The band and the sound system are in front! Not on the side not above, not behind any of the attendees!

 
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