We're not disagreeing that tracks with stereo bass content exist, but if you miss out on localisation and/or spatial sensation if you play this back on a system with dual mono subwoofers. My experience is that you do not.
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We're not disagreeing that tracks with stereo bass content exist, but if you miss out on localisation and/or spatial sensation if you play this back on a system with dual mono subwoofers. My experience is that you do not.
Why repeat such false dichotomy? Do you have perceptual (audio not visual) evidence to support your contention? Have you read the papers cited? https://www.audiosciencereview.com/...eo-sub-vs-dual-mono.43767/page-2#post-1555765
You are of course welcome to your opinions. But unless you can cite some evidence of spatial sensation with mono, it remains just that.
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Going by the threads you previously quoted and have been involved in (channeling J_J et al), this was all news to you just a few weeks ago. You’re suddenly a fervent supporter of a particular view, have you done any experimentation yourself?
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Cool. J_J stated in another thread he has heard the effect in rooms with both long and short decays, which surprised me since the AES paper seemed to indicate it was "missed" in studies with long decays times. IOW, not everyone will hear it in their rooms. And especially not with mono bass music. That's fine, even if its for a few folks like myself who enjoys predominantly classical.
Yep, for years I had listened to the online "experts" and now that I finally found a real one, my opinions and listening have changed. YMMV.
It seems you have little more than opinions yourself, as well as a paper were the tests were conducted with headphones. You have also found an expert with an opinion. There are many experts with different opinions on this very same subject. How come your one expert is suddenly the one and only to listen to?
You are welcome to visit and hear spatial sensation in mono, but I suspect you don't live very close by.
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Out of curiosity, do you have an available system that you can easily reconfigure to stereo subs and recalibrate? I am legitimately curious for you to attempt stereo subs and listen to that same Bach track listed on the previous page. I know you were inviting somebody to listen to your mono setup, but I can already do that with my miniDSP and the difference is pretty clear to me, so I don't need to travel to Norway and listen to your mono setup to understand the difference. Do you have the ability to run the same test I did (and swap back and forth) to see if you get similar results?
That paper isn't an opinion, its audio evidence. As are these https://www.audiosciencereview.com/...eo-sub-vs-dual-mono.43767/page-2#post-1555765
That is a strawman of you illogical making. However, unlike yourself, J_J is quite respected in the field of audio perception, so there is another saying here about when wise men speak..
Btw, he doesn't just speak, but publishes quite a bit on AES (not that you would know this or want to read) and also, demo's that knowledge: https://www.stereophile.com/content/wheres-real-magazine-we-see-it-february-2001
Since you prefer no-Fi music, this may be all a tempest in a teapot for you. Others,, not so.
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I decided to stick with dual mono subs, moved my rear sub to a new position & am happy with the measured result & loving what I am hearing
This also gives me better results at my secondary listening position
II am the OP by the way, please continue to ignore me
This also gives me better results at my secondary listening position
II am the OP by the way, please continue to ignore me
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Your designs look interesting for sure, but you are correct, a bit too far away
. Hopefully I will eventually have something like this in the future, but in the meanwhile, if you were to visit this side of pond to hear non-mono bass (and a whole lot more!) https://www.mixonline.com/recording...etworks-debuts-purpose-built-reference-studio
Is that track available on Tidal or Spotify?
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Oh, but he does speak, a fair bit actually. I always enjoy his talks. However, if disputed I don’t think he would say “I’m an expert, respect me” but rather “here’s my evidence, where is yours?”
Whatever valid points you may have are completely obliterated by psychopathic* outbursts like that.
* apologies if that’s the wrong term, I’m not a doctor
You have a very poor discussion style, you keep attacking me instead of arguing your case. You are pretty close to being reported to the moderators. It is not strawman, since you disregard anyone but his opinion.
I do not have direct access to that paper, and do not feel inclined to put the effort in to do so, since based on the excerpts you have quoted and the summary, they do nothing to prove that spatial sensation is not possible with a dual mono setup. Feel free to quote parts that actually do that.
I have nothing against J_J and I'm sure he is a great guy. That doesn't mean he has the universal truth on this subject.
Your designs look interesting for sure, but you are correct, a bit too far away
I can hear non-mono bass in multiple setups immediately available to me, no need to travel.
Great, ask him about non-mono bass sometime.
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Holy cow man, no need to be so rude. I for one consider sigbergaudio to be a very valuable contributor here, and an all around knowledgeable good-faith debater. No need to get all personal with the attacks, regardless if you think he's wrong.
Yep, here is the track on Tidal. Just because the stereo sub effect is very noticable in my small 10'x10' office doesn't mean that scales to other environments, that's why I'm curious for you to try.
That's too bad, but your choice. No more excerpts, read it all yourself, 40+ papers worth. Real evidence, not opinions.
I'm pretty sure I will find none, so I will spend my time elsewhere.
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