Star Wars: Andor (TV)

[Chagall]

It's not woke just because there is a gender swap or change of color. I can't get how many of you have your panties in a twist because you don't get everything your way. It's like watching real life No Mams Club hosted by the likes of Bundy. It's becoming embarasing to watch so called grown ups whining about superhero stuff too.
Oh no. Silver surfer now has curves. Oh the horror. Gives us more males to stare at.
Pathetic.

There’s always backlash at first for any change - remember how fans freaked out about Heath Ledger as Joker.

A good filmmaker ignores the noise and delivers. If the performance and story are great, nobody’s still whining about gender, race, or story tweaks.

But if the film is bad, no amount of virtue signaling, swapping, fan service, or pandering will make it any better - this is the lesson Hollywood needs to understand.

 

[Sal1950]

It's not woke just because there is a gender swap or change of color.

Did I say that? I don't think so and the reason I said "pushing woke political positions" separately.
It was Jodie Whittaker that got crucified most everywhere for her wokey crap but I don't know if you can blame the actress or the writers?
But in any case that mostly changed with the Ncuti Gatwa intro.
Why is it folks can't say anything about a female or black actor without being called race or gender related?
They're not all the best thing since sliced bread, Jodie SUCKED!, Ncuti So-So.
And that was the reason she got killed.
If the rumors of Billie Piper becoming the 16th Dr are true, that could be an exciting casting and one that could bring some energy into sagging viewership.
Dr Rose?
Or the return of Dr Christopher Eccleston and sidekick Rose Tyler? That got a sideways rumor ???
I'm just wishing for anything to make the Dr fun again, the last few years have been junk, call me all the names you like.

 

[antcollinet]

Why is it folks can't say anything about a female or black actor without being called race or gender related?

When you describe it as woke - rather than just bad acting or writing. Comes across as a bit of a dog whistle.

 

[BolusOfDoom]

For those of you who DO like Andor, here’s a link to a fan editor’s page for Rogue One re-edited as 3 final episodes of Andor. The use of Andor’s soundtrack and musical cues really changes the tone of Rogue One.

Andor: The Rogue One Arc - Fanedit.org

fanedit.org

 

[WillBrink]

That doesn't make Rogue One, Andor S3

Yes it does, movie picks up right where Andor season S2 ends. There will be no S3. That was it. Spoiler, they die at the end of Rogue One, so I assume an S4 aint gonna happen.

 

[Sal1950]

Comes across as a bit of a dog whistle.

What does that mean Ant, don't speak in riddles?
I didn't make this crap up, do some homework and you'll find that Jodie Whittaker's Dr is oft referred to as that.
Not a matter of bad acting but the heavy politics that were advanced during her rein.

There will be no S3. That was it.

That's very comforting to know, maybe we'll get something really good like a new season of Mandalorian. There was even talk of a feature movie, either theater or TV based.
As to Andor's future, humm, we'll see. The whole history of the franchise is jumping back and forth in a time line "A long time ago in a galaxy far, far away...."
They'll do anything they think people will watch and make them money. J J Abrams, where are you when we need you.

 

[antcollinet]

What does that mean Ant, don't speak in riddles?

Urban Dictionary: dog whistle

dog whistle: Dog whistle is a type of strategy of communication that sends a message that the general population will take a certain meaning from, but a...

www.urbandictionary.com

The whole "anti woke" stuff is largely used as a shield by people with ****** attitudes. At least that is my perception - and it colours my view of anyone firing off the accusation. I suspect - based on comments above - I am not alone.

I obviously have no idea if this applies to you or not - I'm guessing from your response it does not. But I'm just letting you know how it comes across.

and you'll find that Jodie Whittaker's Dr is oft referred to as that.

Exactly. That is sort of my point. A bunch of angry basement dwellers pissed off at a woman taking a traditionally male role tend to do that. (again - not referring to current company) It happens all the time, regardless of the quality of the acting or writing. Just wait and see what happens when we get a woman playing James Bond

But in reality, her main problem was not having Russel T as the writer. In fact most of the recent crapness of the series has been a result of him not taking the lead writing role.

 

[Sal1950]

Exactly. That is sort of my point. A bunch of angry basement dwellers pissed off at a woman taking a traditionally male role tend to do that. (again - not referring to current company) It happens all the time, regardless of the quality of the acting or writing.

Maybe, and maybe she just sucked. IMHO she just sucked and you can call me female prejudiced all you like.
But again you can't constantly discredit negative opinions with that copout.
In any case she's gone due to a majority negative popular opinion, they can't all be "angry basement dwellers".
And you know, there is the point of this Sci Fi type of entertainment does have a mostly male dominated audience, why not cast to appeal to them?
OTOH I never heard guys complain cause Joline Bullok was cast in the #2 chair of Enterprise. LOL
Once more, like it or not in this PC pressured world, Drinker hits it right on the head in this posted video.

 

[TK_IIVI]

I'm fine with people not liking the style of the show, but it's impossible to not like the extremely tight script and well written characters. Not ever before in Star Wars history have we really felt how and why the empire is the very opressing and dangerous thing it's always supposed to be and how big if a struggle creating a rebellion really is.

Apparently it's not impossible to not like it. Regardless, I agree with your assessment of it.

I'm watching it again, and there's definitely interesting stuff that goes by without people noticing it on the first viewing, both as far as the larger story goes and the quality of writing. So many scenes with zero dialog-fat.

Really good show.

 

[Ruediger]

Currently re-watching the show to see Rogue One again. For me it's the best the Star Wars franchise has produced after the first 3 films.

In case anyone else likes the wedding music:

 

[Tell]

I rewatched Rogue One after I completed Andor and it's defintely not as slow, deliberated, well written and grown up as Andor, but it's still one of the best Star Wars movies out there

 

[TK_IIVI]

I think with Rogue One it's maybe the opposite of OG trilogy vs prequels. I'd say watching OG before prequels makes more sense because of the reveal in "Empire". Here however, some scenes, like Bix saying goodbye and the last shot of her with the baby, play a lot heavier knowing what happens in Rogue One and that she and Cassian obviously have no idea that's coming.

If you watch Andor and then Rogue One then at the and of Andor you'd go "Oh, bitter-sweet. At least they got a kid and once this is over they'll get to be together as a family". Watching Rogue One first though...

 

[Sal1950]

Each to their own, I found Andor about as interesting as watching grass grow.
Rogue One was a fairly decent S-W's movie but although I saw it in cinema bought the 4k BD, I don't think I've been driven to watch it more than once since I purchased it.
OTOH, I've watched both The Mandalorian and Book of Boba series at least 3 times now. I'm really stoked to see Mandalorian & Grogu in the next few weeks. I hope it lives up to it's hype.
This Is The Way.

 

[Tell]

Yeah Book of Boba Fett was a cinematic masterpiece ;\ I might pirate Mandalorian & Grogu sometimes in the future, the series was quite bad so I don't have any high hopes for that movie.

 

[JSmith]

I found Andor about as interesting as watching grass grow.

I enjoyed it, but it was a bit slow in parts, which they do now to drag it over the required episode count.

Did you like Ahsoka? I enjoyed that too, in a different way, faster paced.


JSmith

 

[Ruediger]

I heard very different opinions on Andor. The lack of a good, centered hero and his group f.e. - everyone just has a lot of problems in Andor.

What made it better than other Star Wars spinoffs to me is the view into "Coruscant society". And the portrait about how difficult, grassroots and sometimes a gamble it is to get anything rebellion going.

 

[TK_IIVI]

I enjoyed it, but it was a bit slow in parts, which they do now to drag it over the required episode count.

I think that's a misunderstanding. There' a point to the slower parts and it's not that they just need to extend the number of episodes. Think about it this way: Andor was limited in time within the universe they were building because it runs into Rogue One which has a "hard" ending. I've heard Gilroy talk about having to cut down the amount of stuff they wanted to fit because of a) that, and b) people getting older (since it takes a long time to produce something like that). Therefore, if anything, they could have fit more but chose to have things be slow instead - not to have more episodes, because they were already limited, but because it served the story in their opinion.

 

[TK_IIVI]

I heard very different opinions on Andor. The lack of a good, centered hero and his group f.e. - everyone just has a lot of problems in Andor.

What made it better than other Star Wars spinoffs to me is the view into "Coruscant society". And the portrait about how difficult, grassroots and sometimes a gamble it is to get anything rebellion going.

Yeah I think a lot of people just want even the "bad" parts wrapped in a "feel good" "fabric" so it's easier to digest. I mean, if you think about it, in ANH they blew up an entire planet filled with life forms, an atrocity of epic proportions. Yet in general that movie 'plays' like a feel good fantasy adventure in space. Andor on the other hand 'plays' much closer to the way things really are.

Personally I loved the juxtapositions between politics, high society, the oppressive "security" agency, the rebellion and just regular people.

 

[JSmith]

It was gritty... I liked that. It wasn't about selling merch, but telling a story of struggle, survival and ultimately rebellion of negative control.


JSmith

 

[Sal1950]

Did you like Ahsoka? I enjoyed that too, in a different way, faster paced.

Yea it was a bit better, at the end of each episode I didn't feel like it was a complete waste of my time.
The only reason I continued to watch Andor was because it was "Star Wars" and I kept thinking, this just has to get better. Never did, in fact IMO it got worse.