Star Wars: Andor (TV)

[Bleib]

Andor is far too psychodramatic and dystopian for Star Wars in a way that is too real for me.

I think real world fascist governments tend to be worse. I'd expect experimentation a la Mengel or Japan's Unit 731 depravity. Almost any time I watch some of the more realistic war movies we still see a sort of censored version of all the horrors that goes on. Reality isn't really even shown in fiction.

Or Nazi-Germany Aktion T4 for that matter...

But this is also the problem I have with the OT and the sequel trilogy. Since they have the power to blow up planets and are that strong, isn't the real goal to rule over people?
When they blow up 5 planets in one of the sequels the only thing I can do is to shake my head. What for? You have the power to control vast numbers of people.
And the same time once ONE planet is blown up the blowback should be gigantic, there should be a bigger resistance movement against any version of the Empire we've seen.
Yet in the dumb sequels the resistance movement is quite minuscule again. OK, it's true that history repeats itself, but this is basically forms of ultimate evil that nobody really benefits from.

 

[Audionaut]

Reality isn't really even shown in fiction.

Yes, the reality of human brutality is usually more pronounced than any cinematic fiction can show if it wants to get the appropriate age rating.

Just watch the news and Andor is quite cute in comparison.

There are very few series, not just Star Wars, that are free of flaws, lengths and holes in logic.

In this respect, Andor is clearly at the top end of the good series for me, thanks to the script, the good set, but also the good actors.

 

[Bleib]

Somehow...he returned

 

[Sal1950]

Somehow...he returned

OMG, you want me to sit thru an hour of that horrid, boring voice whining about his view of Star Wars?
I gave it about 3 minutes before I said ENOUGH.

 

[Bleib]

OMG, you want me to sit thru an hour of that horrid, boring voice whining about his view of Star Wars?
I gave it about 3 minutes before I said ENOUGH.

At least he doesn't have memory problems on the prequels.. but the surprise is that he liked the Acolyte more than most and Andor is too good to be SW

 

[Sal1950]

Andor, IMHO it stinks. the chick flix of Star Wars. LOL

 

[Chagall]

At least he doesn't have memory problems on the prequels.. but the surprise is that he liked the Acolyte more than most and Andor is too good to be SW

I wouldn’t say he likes Acolyte so much as he finds certain aspects of it interesting for at least trying something new. But he does call it the closest thing to the prequels - and we know what he thinks about those.

Andor is just too good to be Star Wars, that’s for sure. But I do think there’s room for both styles - the light-hearted adventure side (A New Hope) and the grittier, dystopian, smart sci-fi side (Andor).

People can just pick and choose what they enjoy - there’s no rule that says you have to like everything Star Wars… @Sal1950 or endlessly complain about the ones you don’t

 

[kemmler3D]

Late to the thread but I think Andor is the only Star Wars content I can recommend to another adult whether or not they are already a fan of Star Wars. And I say this as someone who has watched most of the live-action Star Wars stuff that exists. It's good TV that happens to use Star Wars as a setting, which makes it actually not very star wars-y, but also IMO great.

Andor, IMHO it stinks. the chick flix of Star Wars. LOL

Star Wars is literally a series of children's movies, so I'm not sure where a "chick flick" label points us among those. I'd just say it's the only Star Wars content that is unambiguously for grown-ups.

While I am saying controversial stuff, how's this? Star Wars is fantasy, not Sci-fi. Yeah, I said it.

 

[ryanosaur]

This thread is ridiculous. It’s like reading fan-boy sh!t-posting because nothing will ever be as “good” as Star Wars.

But wait… Star Wars wasn’t really that great of a movie in the first place.

Please don’t misunderstand: I love it all. Every campy moment of questionable acting and storytelling. As a kid growing up on it, it opened a whole new realm of imagination to fuel childhood fantasies.

To this day, I celebrate that we still have this in our lives! I don’t always agree with the path they choose to show, but gladly enjoy and support what they give rather than judge it all as garbage that should have been jettisoned prior to making the jump to light speed.

Take the armchair quarterback bs and stuff it. Pretty please with a cherry on top.

 

[Bleib]

Andor, IMHO it stinks. the chick flix of Star Wars. LOL

We're repeating ourselves for nothing, but it's actually the only video based SW that is mostly suited for the grown ups
And..Andor shoots first

 

[WillBrink]

We're repeating ourselves for nothing, but it's actually the only video based SW that is mostly suited for the grown ups

He's why I never listen to anyone about movies, food, or music. Andor was easily the best thing since Rogue One, which was the best thing since Empire Strikes Back. It was not perfect, but all in all, worth watching for anyone who likes SW, which has been so bad for so long. Me, I think the best thing they could do is hand the entire franchise over the crew that made Andor and have them run with it. It could not get any worse.

 

[Bleib]

He's why I never listen to anyone about movies, food, or music. Andor was easily the best thing since Rogue One, which was the best thing since Empire Strikes Back. It was not perfect, but all in all, worth watching for anyone who likes SW, which has been so bad for so long. Me, I think the best thing they could do is hand the entire franchise over the crew that made Andor and have them run with it. It could not get any worse.

Well, you're quite close to his viewpoints. He does like Andor. Not so much Rogue one, which he just shortly called stupid in this video but there are extended videos where the three of the redlettermedia discuss the movie in greater length. Obviously going from Andor to Rogue one there is a change of pace and most of the characters are not really memorable, and it feels more corporate in that they paste in things into the movie into surroundings they don't quite belong in...
Like me ha also saw hope (hah!) in Force Awakens but thinks Rian ruined it all and that the trilogy couldn't be saved by bringing back Abrahms.

The industry of opinions that has popped up since his prequels reviews is of course immense. The most tiring are the ones screaming about strong women and woke all the time. Like critical drinker.
It's a bit odd to see clips of Lucas complaining that it becomes too much, when even when he owned the IP Star Wars was basically everywhere. Like Lucas said, it's made for 12 year olds and toys is where the money is.
Obviously the guy is a creative genius, but he's not superbly competent in directing and writing.
So in most cases I basically agree with Plinker

 

[WillBrink]

Well, you're quite close to his viewpoints. He does like Andor. Not so much Rogue one, which he just shortly called stupid in this video but there are extended videos where the three of the redlettermedia discuss the movie in greater length. Obviously going from Andor to Rogue one there is a change of pace and most of the characters are not really memorable, and it feels more corporate in that they paste in things into the movie into surroundings they don't quite belong in...
Like me ha also saw hope (hah!) in Force Awakens but thinks Rian ruined it all and that the trilogy couldn't be saved by bringing back Abrahms.

The industry of opinions that has popped up since his prequels reviews is of course immense. The most tiring are the ones screaming about strong women and woke all the time. Like critical drinker.

"Andor, IMHO it stinks. the chick flix of Star Wars. LOL" is not even in the same universe as my viewpoints. See what I did there?

 

[Bleib]

"Andor, IMHO it stinks. the chick flix of Star Wars. LOL" is not even in the same universe as my viewpoints. See what I did there?

Ah sorry, thought you meant mr Plinkett
Anyhow, no reason to repeat all viewpoints, it was an OK video to watch, obviously he still cares about SW but it's like a long lost love, not quite the same

 

[Sal1950]

We're repeating ourselves for nothing, but it's actually the only video based SW that is mostly suited for the grown ups
And..Andor shoots first

Well if you think good story writing is a bedtime story for adults, then Andor is great. LOL
Let's write over half a season planing a borring jail break, or
Let's write a whole eppisode around begging some dumb women to leave with you as the storm troppers are breaking down the doors ???
Not even showing some common sense there, Just filling the page-screen-time with useless words.

I keep hearing this line of BS. Because you like it, you think you can devalue others opinion by trying to portray the others as
as childish, at a lower mentality or education than yours. From my point of view, those who think Andor is great just have a poor sense of judgement.
I'd rather watch Mandalorian any time, at least it doesn't put me to sleep. Or have a really dumb plot like letting the lady theyre trying to save, delay them to the point of allmost getting killed. Mostly just junk

 

[Tell]

It is a fact that kids have shorter attention span and aren't as intelligent so they don't care as much about logic and advanced storytelling. So yeah, I'd say it's more or less an objective fact that Andor is more for grown ups than stuff like Mandalorian, Book of Boba Fett and Kenobi. But everyone is free to like whatever they want no matter their age. I can like more childish stuff, no problem, it just have to be not too stupid, which is why I don't like the majority of the Star Wars stuff that Disney has pumped out.

 

[Sal1950]

it just have to be not too stupid

Stupid? The plot of the episode of Bix's rescue is just about the dumbest thing I ever watched.
Anyone who's ever been in a military situation where their life was in extreme immediate danger can see how stupid that writing was.
Just total garbage written by an idiot.
If you find this junk good Sci Fi entertainment, be my guest, but you seem to be short on adult comprehension.

 

[Tell]

Stupid? The plot of the episode of Bix's rescue is just about the dumbest thing I ever watched.
Anyone who's ever been in a military situation where their life was in extreme immediate danger can see how stupid that writing was.
Just total garbage written by an idiot.
If you find this junk good Sci Fi entertainment, be my guest, but you seem to be short on adult comprehension.

Sure Andor is not perfect, but what series or movie is? But trying to argue that Andor is stupid and not for grownups while endorsing Mandalorian, BoBF, Kenobi etc is quite.. yeah nvm, Bleib is correct that there really ain't any reason to repeat all viewpoints again.

 

[JSmith]

Star Wars is fantasy, not Sci-fi.

Some have described the originals as Space Westerns.


JSmith

 

[Bleib]

Sure Andor is not perfect, but what series or movie is? But trying to argue that Andor is stupid and not for grownups while endorsing Mandalorian, BoBF, Kenobi etc is quite.. yeah nvm, Bleib is correct that there really ain't any reason to repeat all viewpoints again.

The plan to rescue Han Solo in the original trilogy isn't the greatest either. They actually all get caught..