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Speaker Wire Suggestion

Those cables are branded Canton, but I can't find any other image of them online:

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Anyway, that construction is very similar to the original Monster Cable which is still available:
You are a detective!
 
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1) Wonder what the capacitance of at 'twinlead' cable is?
2) Might be tough on marginally stable amplifiers(?).
Separation of the two cables will have a larger than usual inductance and smaller capacitance. Most speaker loads are more like a inductor than a capacitor, so I would think it is unlikely to cause amps to oscillate.
 
Any "speaker wire" or "zip cord" is fine. It should be marked somehow so you can keep the + and - connections straight on both ends. Sometimes there is a white stripe, or one wire is tinned silver-color and the other is bare copper, etc.

Speaker wires are not critical as long as the resistance is low (relative to speaker impedance).

16 AWG copper or "fatter" is usually OK if the wire-runs aren't long. 16 AWG is 4 ohms per 1000 feet or 0.08 Ohms for 10-feet "round trip". (Wire Resistance Chart)

"OFC" isn't necessary but it's best to avoid "CCA" (copper clad aluminum) because it has slightly higher resistance and the gauge has to be lower to be equivalent.


You'd find that you were right if you were to do a proper blind listening test. ;)
What is a blind ABX test?
Controlled Audio Blind Listening Tests (video)
You won't believe it! I actually did a blind test on my 11 year old daughter, who loves music. I didn't even tell her what the test was going to be about and she has no notion of stereo equipment, its price, and what component does what. Yet, she frowned upon the music played back using my new 12 AWG cable. I was surprised and asked her what happened. She said, "there is no magic!" Guess what? That is exactly how I feel. The Canton wires has magic; everything sounds alive and just right (on my system), and the generic cable turned my system into a hifi system that just makes sound, if you know what I mean. You will have to hear it for yourself to believe! As a PhD in electrical engineering, I agree it is difficult to understand how a piece of wire can change the sound (it changed music into just sound, to be exact) if we think of the wire as an LCR network. The reality is more complicated than just an LCR model. Some high order effects I can think of include, for example, Lorentz force that the two wires exert on each other that cause them to vibrate with the electric current passing through them. Another possibility may be electric field causing the two wires to attract each other, causing vibration between the wires. This can occur when the insulator is flexible, which it is, as it is made of PVC. This means if you model the wire as an LCR circuit, the C and the L components are variable and dependent on the voltage and current applied onto the wire. This can potentially cause some kind of IMD. Regardless of the mechanism, all I am saying while the LCR model may help us understand some aspect of the system, it is not everything. Higher order effects can and do exist. Of course, those effects may be very small (high order by definition), but with very good speakers and very low distortion electronics (CD player and Amp), the effects of the wire may be perceivable, to some people at least. In my case, both myself and my daughter heard it clearly and the effect is quite significant.
 
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Capacitance decreases with distance. Thus, all other things being equal (e.g., dielectric constant of the insullation), the capacitance should be lower than that of conventional zip cord. On the other hand, the increased distance between the wires will decrease the magnetic field cancellation a tiny bit. So, the inductance might be just a smidgen higher.

The circuit would need to be modelled for analysis to determine if the lower capacitance and higher inductance would cause an issue with a marginally stable amplifier. But, the capacitance and inductance differences should be small enough to not have a significant effect. If they do have an audible effect, then it is a very poorly designed amplifier.
Another possibility is that the amplifier and speaker system are so well designed that they can reveal minute details.
 
When the explanation requires effects smaller than what analyzers, and ears, can detect, the explanation isn’t physical.

Audio is where people stop asking how big the effect is and start arguing that it must exist.

What was you “blind test” protocol?
 
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Those cables are branded Canton, but I can't find any other image of them online:

View attachment 503662

Anyway, that construction is very similar to the original Monster Cable which is still available:
You are a detective! I am impressed! Thank you! ("CANTON" looked like 2ZL0Z to me...)
 
You won't believe it! I actually did a blind test on my 11 year old daughter, who loves music. I didn't even tell her what the test was going to be about and she has no notion of stereo equipment, its price, and what component does what. Yet, she frowned upon the music played back using my new 12 AWG cable. I was surprised and asked her what happened. She said, "there is no magic!" Guess what? That is exactly how I feel. The Canton wires has magic; everything sounds alive and just right (on my system), and the generic cable turned my system into a hifi system that just makes sound, if you know what I mean. You will have to hear it for yourself to believe! As a PhD in electrical engineering, I agree it is difficult to understand how a piece of wire can change the sound (it changed music into just sound, to be exact) if we think of the wire as an LCR network. The reality is more complicated than just an LCR model. Some high order effects I can think of include, for example, Lorentz force that the two wires exert on each other that cause them to vibrate with the electric current passing through them. Another possibility may be electric field causing the two wires to attract each other, causing vibration between the wires. This can occur when the insulator is flexible, which it is, as it is made of PVC. This means if you model the wire as an LCR circuit, the C and the L components are variable and dependent on the voltage and current applied onto the wire. This can potentially cause some kind of IMD. Regardless of the mechanism, all I am saying while the LCR model may help us understand some aspect of the system, it is not everything. Higher order effects can and do exist. Of course, those effects may be very small (high order by definition), but with very good speakers and very low distortion electronics (CD player and Amp), the effects of the wire may be perceivable, to some people at least. In my case, both myself and my daughter heard it clearly and the effect is quite significant.
You won't believe it! I did the same blind test on my 10 year old son, who loves music. I didn't even tell him what the test was going to be about and he has no notion of stereo equipment, its price, and what component does what. Yet, he frowned upon the music played back using my new Canton cable. I was surprised and asked him what happened. He said, "there is no magic!" Guess what? That is exactly how I feel.

I repeated the test on my 10 year old son's 6,852 best friends, who love music, and the result was the same every time! Magic, I tell you, magic!
 
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