Damn that would be fun to build, and one hell of a speaker. And I'd guess if I got the case and crossover right....Well the previous example I gave, is a case where one is literally getting most of the cost being components.
- https://www.madisoundspeakerstore.c...bnwg-4-beryllium-dome-tweeter-with-waveguide/ (494.70 x2)
- https://www.madisoundspeakerstore.c...a-01-6.5-ultra-low-distortion-midrange-4-ohm/ (435x2)
- https://www.madisoundspeakerstore.com/passive-radiators/purifi-audio-ptt6.5pr-6.5-passive-radiator/ (144 x4)
1000 + 870 + 600 = 2470
+ case, crossover, terminal connections..
Wood, machining. Assembly and R&D.
Do the math.
Active speakers and electronics just have more that may go wrong.
Sadly, international shipping for such big speakers makes it way too expansive. Also, in any case, it will be a total overkill in my living room.why settle for bookshelf's, get the BMR towers and be done! Regards
Active speakers amps can be outside the cabinet itself (Geithain, Genelec), thus easily serviceable.FAR more to go wrong without a doubt.
Because the amplifier is going inside the cabinet it typically needs to be small and light weight. Class D amps switching amps along with switch mode power supplies are what you will find inside, often with all electronic parts glued for vibration control. There is a lot going on and unless very robustly made will have a finite lifespan due to repairs being very difficult and costly, often you can't even fix them it's replace the boards entirely and hope they have good customer support to get the boards. Another aspect is these types of amplifiers have been gaining a lot of advancements very quickly and the after a few years your active speakers are at best outdated if they still work.
This is why I go passive. In the near future I would like to remove the passive crossover networks run a calibrated mic with digital signal processing on the front end, separate amplifiers right behind the speakers as close as possible to power each driver. The processing should adjust each amplifier and their specific bandwidth accordingly to give a flat response at microphone, or that's the idea anyway. I just don't want amps inside my speakers, I like high quality linear amplifiers that can be serviced and run bulletproof. High quality 3 watt amp for the tweeter, high quality 12 watt amp for the mid-horn and a 100 watt for the woofer. That's 6 mono amps total. Okay nevermind I'm going with large ES panels driven directly off the plate of a transmitter tube, separate 350 watt sub woofers. Which seems less a nightmare or which is going to yield the best sounds? Ugh it never ends.
before:This right here is exactly why I generally avoid forums.
originally:Because he pays an arm and a leg, and expects the product to reflect that in every aspect. Like I've written above, some of us don't just buy a result. See my example regarding cars.
You cannot define "actual high quality parts" and "real high quality parts in all regards". You only emphasise the "quality" by "high" and "real", "actual" respectively, because You seem to not know how to qualify a "high quality part" against a not so high quality part.... are actually built from real high quality parts in all regards- cabinets, drivers, crossover, everything! I mean, it's not like I dare expecting anything like a floorstander or a complicated 4 way, right? Is it too much to ask for a pair of 3,000$ bookshelf speakers to be really built of actual high quality parts and measure great?
You may not be an engineer. In case let me tell You that engineering is most about what You call "cutting corners".... and for that price all you want it assurance the engineers aren't cutting corners, ...
Buchardt S400 (mk2):
Buchardt S400 Signature:
... Is it worth that kind of additional cost? I dunnow, anyone should decide for himself. However, it's nice to have that option for a change.
Yeh... that's what I mean. Forum bliss. And that's my last reaction to "Finemen" (that "ignore" button makes wonders).
It depends.You may not be an engineer. In case let me tell You that engineering is most about what You call "cutting corners".
... a marketing tool for people that care about what's inside and improve them subjectively.
Is that a valid approach? I guess, like beauty and design aesthetic, that is ultimately in the eye of the beholder.
We clearly need transparent speakers, so "highend" crossovers can be admired while the music is playing.The looks--never seen when in use
bingo...as soon as i saw "mfg using cheap xo components" i immediately said, "oh no the o.p was just sucked into the Danny vortex hole". hey o.p I'm sure my revel m16 xo parts are made out of playdoh per Danny's specs, but they sound pretty damn good to me. also the Polk r200's are great as well...you are definitely chasing that rabbit...You might want to consider cutting back on your consumption of Danny Richie videos!
You may not be an engineer. In case let me tell You that engineering is most about what You call "cutting corners".
Active speakers amps can be outside the cabinet itself (Geithain, Genelec), thus easily serviceable.
Serious brands support their products for many years nay decades.
Current state of art class D amps limits (distortion for example) are orders of magnitude below drivers' limits, so not likely to be the weak link in the signal chain.
What you're intending to do is what active speakers/monitors like Genelec mains (1237 etc.) or Geithain (the K1 models) do.
It's hard to wrap my head around wanting the most expensive components when there is no audible benefit. From Bagby to Murphy, designers will only spec if there is a clear advantage.DIY is just not for everyone. I prefer a product made by someone who actually knows what they're doing.
I'm also aware that the Revels measure great and are generally well built, but the crossover being made from penny parts is simply a fact (that may not have any relevance to the sound, but that's not my point).