Speaker like sound with headphones

[pollock0424]

Hi,
Anyone tried adding cross talk to their headphones? I was curious so I tried this with my miniDSP SHD. I wish it also did the delayed summing. Inwas using the Yamaha C85 as a switch between Pure (Out1 and Out2) and Crosstalk(Out3 and Out4)

PS: C85 is sweet.. it has a PEQ

 

[solderdude]

Electric mixing of signals (crossfeed) is never going to give the same results as acoustic mixing (speakers) where the actual room one is in, as well as the directivity of the used speakers and eyesight (one can see the room which helps) has an influence on the (soundstage/depth) result.
At best crossfeed (or spatialzers for that matter) are parlor tricks that may work on one individual a bit 'better' than on another individual.

 

[pollock0424]

I came across this paper and it got me curious about room sound. What if I have access to a headshaped stereo mic?

I like the sound of my current setup in my room. Assuming that I want to try to replicate that in headphones also.. (I understand that it won't be perfect but at least I can think in that direction).

1. Get IR of Lch w.r.t Left ear(IR captures Room acoustics). Get IR of Rch w.r.t Left ear(Crossfeed along with room acoustics).

2. Get IR of Rch w.r.t Right ear. Get IR of Lch w.r.t Right ear.

3. Convolve L channel track with IR of Lch w.r.t Left ear + alpha * Convolve R channel track with IR of Rch w.r.t Left ear.

4. Convolve R channel track with IR of Rch with Right ear + alpha * Convolve L channel track with IR of Lch with Right ear.

Here, alpha is a factor to control the amount of crossfeed.

 

[Elkerton]

Not on topic, I mistook your C-85 for my CX-800U because they look so similar and have nearly the same functions.

 

[solderdude]

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I came across this paper and it got me curious about room sound. What if I have access to a headshaped stereo mic?

Your headshaped stereo mic will have a substantially different HRTF than your head.

I like the sound of my current setup in my room. Assuming that I want to try to replicate that in headphones also.. (I understand that it won't be perfect but at least I can think in that direction).

1. Get IR of Lch w.r.t Left ear(IR captures Room acoustics). Get IR of Rch w.r.t Left ear(Crossfeed along with room acoustics).

2. Get IR of Rch w.r.t Right ear. Get IR of Lch w.r.t Right ear.

3. Convolve L channel track with IR of Lch w.r.t Left ear + alpha * Convolve R channel track with IR of Rch w.r.t Left ear.

4. Convolve R channel track with IR of Rch with Right ear + alpha * Convolve L channel track with IR of Lch with Right ear.

Here, alpha is a factor to control the amount of crossfeed.

I would say go for it but reckon you still won't get the same sound field in front of you.

The whole '3D sound perception' in headphones also seems to be highly personal.

How do you hear headphone 'soundstage'

This poll is born out of a 'soundstage / imaging' discussion. I am just curious how people hear headphone 'soundstage'. Note this is with 'normal' recordings so NO binaural recordings and without any processing/plug-ins like crossfeed, stereo enhancers and 3D emulators. Just a plain...

www.audiosciencereview.com

 

[Mr Swing King]

This is most likely what you’re looking for, if you are seeking a sound that more approaches speakers than headphones:

Realiser A16 the world's most advanced 3d audio processor

The Realiser A16 is the world’s most advanced personalised head-tracked 3D headphone processor, rendering 15.1.8ch Dolby Atmos with breath-taking realism.

smyth-research.com

Set up properly it can mimic the sound you get from your room or maybe you want to go with a famous concert hall.
I know there are some plug-ins that supposedly does the same thing, but I haven’t tried them. The Smyth Realiser though is the real deal.
Good luck

 

[pollock0424]

Not on topic, I mistook your C-85 for my CX-800U because they look so similar and have nearly the same functions.

No worries! I like the C85 because of the headphones amp, PEQ, and Inverted and Normal output (basically XLR split into two sets of RCA?). Didn't know that CX800 existed.