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Speaker EQ, Full Range or Bass Only (with Poll)

How Is Your DRC Configured?

  • 2ch Bass Range Only

    Votes: 41 32.8%
  • 2ch Full Range

    Votes: 49 39.2%
  • Multich Bass Range Only

    Votes: 16 12.8%
  • Multich Full Range

    Votes: 34 27.2%
  • No DRC At All

    Votes: 10 8.0%

  • Total voters
    125
Had the Scots done a little research they'd have realised how spectacularly this banner misses the mark. Russia's (or rather the Soviet Union's) stance would of course have been: Alcoholism AND communism :D
I'm sure they settled the issue in the streets surrounding the venue, after the game.
 
So far, the poll is showing that, if you use DRC at all, then Multichannel Bass Range Only is the least common way.

How very interesting, considering what the science is telling us.
 
So far, the poll is showing that, if you use DRC at all, then Multichannel Bass Range Only is the least common way.

How very interesting, considering what the science is telling us.

That's probably just because the population that uses 2ch is much greater than the population that uses multichannel
 
So far, the poll is showing that, if you use DRC at all, then Multichannel Bass Range Only is the least common way.

How very interesting, considering what the science is telling us.
I can speak only for myself but I do not use identical (or same family) speakers for my 5.3.4 setup. As such, if I want to have similar tonality from all speakers I don't think equalizing only the bass range would work (I use Dirac DLBC).
 
I can speak only for myself but I do not use identical (or same family) speakers for my 5.3.4 setup. As such, if I want to have similar tonality from all speakers I don't think equalizing only the bass range would work (I use Dirac DLBC).
I agree with you but I think full range can have it's advantages in just about every setup if done well.
Room influence on speaker tonality is strong and if some slight correction can get things better balanced in
a large multich rig all the better.
 
I use DSP below 500hz and PEQ above.
 
iono. i don't use rm eq. i might flip back and forth but listen mostly with zero eq in the chain. rm eq, wiim at least, seems to flatten the top end and does something to cymbals that reduces it's crispness. it also muffles the upper mids.
the eq i do use is for like at night. cutting some bass and adding some highs.
 
iono. i don't use rm eq. i might flip back and forth but listen mostly with zero eq in the chain. rm eq, wiim at least, seems to flatten the top end and does something to cymbals that reduces it's crispness. it also muffles the upper mids.
Try either a different DRC system or it's setup.
 
This matter is interesting as long as I have not fully understood room correction for the last 12 years . However I understood that it was enough to use in Acourate pro a psychoacoustic treatment with a frequency dependent window of 15/5 ie 15 for the bass and 5 for the treble . I thought that would correct mainly the loudspeaker inacuracy for the treble and make a real room correction for the bass only. So the correction is on the complete spectrum but room correction is limited to the bass .Am I right ?
 
So the correction is on the complete spectrum but room correction is limited to the bass .Am I right ?
In a way, from what little I can say I understand. Room shape and dimensions influence bass in a strong way. Higher frequencies are more affected by the surfaces the room offers to sound to bounce off of. Usually bass is tougher to correct as the waves need very thick surfaces to be stopped from bouncing.
 
This matter is interesting as long as I have not fully understood room correction for the last 12 years . However I understood that it was enough to use in Acourate pro a psychoacoustic treatment with a frequency dependent window of 15/5 ie 15 for the bass and 5 for the treble . I thought that would correct mainly the loudspeaker inacuracy for the treble and make a real room correction for the bass only. So the correction is on the complete spectrum but room correction is limited to the bass .Am I right ?

Sometimes room correction can be limited to Schroeder, some only do wider spectrum with no option to limit the frequenncy......
 
Sometimes room correction can be limited to Schroeder, some only do wider spectrum with no option to limit the frequenncy......

I don't claim to have any technical background to take a solid position on this.
But the funny thing is I so know people with serious credentials that take both sides of the debate?
What do I know. LOL
 
I don't claim to have any technical background to take a solid position on this.
But the funny thing is I so know people with serious credentials that take both sides of the debate?
What do I know. LOL
I don't look at it as a debate more than a preference or what works in your room best with the rest of your system....but having the flexibility is nice.
 
I don't look at it as a debate more than a preference or what works in your room best with the rest of your system....but having the flexibility is nice.
Sure, that's good too. The main reason I started this thread was that there were so many voices that insisted "below Schroeder" was the only correct use of DRC, using it above that was somehow bad or wrong. That was something I didn't agree with and hoped some in depth discussion would change perceptions.
 
This matter is interesting as long as I have not fully understood room correction for the last 12 years . However I understood that it was enough to use in Acourate pro a psychoacoustic treatment with a frequency dependent window of 15/5 ie 15 for the bass and 5 for the treble . I thought that would correct mainly the loudspeaker inacuracy for the treble and make a real room correction for the bass only. So the correction is on the complete spectrum but room correction is limited to the bass .Am I right ?

This explanation is a bit involved. First i'll explain what it is we want to correct, and then i'll tell you the difference between Acourate's FDW (frequency dependent windowing) settings of 15/15 and 15/5.

What to correct
Take a look at this graph which shows the in-room frequency response taken with MMM of the same loudspeaker in 9 different rooms:

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From loudspeakers.audio (go down to "Acoustics and EQ" and click on "Correction at mid and high frequencies" to view this graph).

Notice that above 800Hz the measurements hug each other tightly, the only variation is the downwards slope of the treble response. Some have more tilt, some have less. The variation is about 5dB.

Below 800Hz, the FR is increasingly chaotic as wavelength gets longer.

From this graph, we can conclude that the room and listening position has a substantial influence on bass frequencies, so this is what we want to correct. For higher freqs, it is listening distance that influences the treble tilt.

Now, these are MMM's which means that the treble response has been spatially averaged. If you use Acourate, most people typically correct for a single microphone position. The problem with a single mic position is that it is a single point in space. For low frequencies, the wavelengths are very long - a 100Hz sound has a wavelength of 3430mm which is very large when compared to a typical human head (150mm). So a single mic position is likely to be representative of what you will hear.

As wavelengths get shorter, that mic position becomes more and more specific to that particular location in space. A 20kHz sound has a wavelength of 17mm, which is much smaller than the width of your head. This means that what the mic captures is highly unrepresentative of what you will hear. The solution to this is:

1. Do not use a high resolution single point measurement as the basis of correction for high frequencies. Use a spatially averaged measurement like an MMM.
2. Do not perform a "room correction" on the high frequencies at all. Instead, do an anechoic or quasi-anechoic correction of the high frequencies (Acourate lets you do this).
3. If needed, apply a treble tilt to taste.

Acourate FDW
Acourate lets you use any measurement as the basis of your correction. Most users use a single point measurement for the sake of simplicity. You can use an MMM or a spatially averaged measurement as basis for correction, and I recall describing how to do it in my Acourate guide. If you use a single point measurement, you can adjust the smoothness of the correction using different FDW settings.

For bass correction, we want to correct the speakers together with the room. So we use FDW 15. This lets 15 cycles of sound into the correction and will produce a fairly high resolution picture of what is going on.

For treble correction, we do not want a high resolution correction. So I personally use FDW 1 or FDW 5 depending on my mood ;) The lower the FDW, the shorter the window, the smoother the curve. This is not quite the same as a spatially averaged correction, but it is very close. If you are a purist, you should be using an MMM or spatially averaged measurement as the basis of your correction. But you are likely to find that the shape of the correction is pretty similar to an extremely smoothed high freq single point measurement.
 
This explanation is a bit involved. First i'll explain what it is we want to correct, and then i'll tell you the difference between Acourate's FDW (frequency dependent windowing) settings of 15/15 and 15/5.
Curiously 2 days ago, just before you write this post, I was trying the combination of MMM and single point measurement that I just discovered in the complete version of your guide. It is giving quite good results. I believe it is better than the single point and a 15/5 FDW.
Thanks for your guide !
 
Sure, that's good too. The main reason I started this thread was that there were so many voices that insisted "below Schroeder" was the only correct use of DRC, using it above that was somehow bad or wrong. That was something I didn't agree with and hoped some in depth discussion would change perceptions.
That's why I voted both ways on that point :) I've done it both ways, and have some gear where you can't limit it too.
 
That's why I voted both ways on that point :) I've done it both ways, and have some gear where you can't limit it too.
It's interesting the 2ch guys are split almost 50/50
Multich users are right at 2-1 users of Full Range DRC.
 
It's interesting the 2ch guys are split almost 50/50
Multich users are right at 2-1 users of Full Range DRC.
Well there is an also ability to add custom curtains for some multichannel EQ systems. So not necessarily all or nothing choice.
 
Well there is an also ability to add custom curtains for some multichannel EQ systems. So not necessarily all or nothing choice.
Yep, just too many options to build a Poll for ;)
 
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