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i was in another post and a overzealous mod accused me of trying to propagate misinformation which i did not believe to be such because my experience was first hand. thats okay it doesnt hurt my feelings. yesterday i had a old analog head (one of my clients for work) at my place and i was having the same discussion with him. he reminded me that he himself BOTH was on the fence about the cable break in but was not entirely discouraged of the concept & he mentioned that most people will never be able to achieve upgraded results. let me elaborate.....and my intenet is to be detailed and respectful.

he was also sneakily reminding me during my journey i went through three speakers just in the last year alone. the discussion took a hard turn instantly when i was reminded that the entire cable and speaker tech journey was not anecdotal but rather results driven. was it based on money? or was it solely based on "audible qualities".
what am i talking about?

he referenced a specific point that i was not able to explain at the time;
(ill always argue the devils advocate before making a claim, so ill deny till i can explain or hear for instance)
the concept that speakers themselves have a clear benefit to determine if a user can establish results themselves, or if it becomes UN-noticeable. technically both in amps and cables.

i went through three floor standing speakers, klipsch, monitor audio, to a revel.
i was encouraged to reflect back on exactly the environment changes i made, procedures and testing i did to determine what i would settle on.

first i had klipsch reference premiere rp-8000ii and i knew i probably should have went with the rf-7 but i didn't because i thought my room was too small at the time. i used three different cables, but ended up on a pine tree audio second set, that was his highest copper cable offered. i enjoyed this as it was better than the other cable i got from him and a previous ofc copper cable i got. side note, out of the three other intercoonect cables ive tried the morrow were the quietest. i did get some interference with pine tree on the braided set but not the sheilded set, but the shielded set sounded a bit soft. this is not relevent to the post here....i degresssssssss.

the klip speaker sounded a bit glassy and untammed, so i upgraded to the largest monitor audio model and then used the same cables as tests, and applied many hours on them. settling on the pine tree audio. after some time, either my listening style or arrangement in the room changed. i felt like i was not get the concerto i expected or got when the cables and monitor audio speakers were more new. subjectively this may be the speaker and cables breaking in and smoothening out. i felt like i lost that punch or snappy snare sound in the drums. i decidced to start trying better cables. i got morrow cables. installed them and listened to them for like 100 hours at high volume for days straight. i may have beleived they were properly broken in but there was no way to tell. even at 100+ hours it was entirely inaudible to my ear. when i say this i mean major anticipation was lost.

i dont need to get into why i made my next decision or who convinced me to take the leap, but i bought revel 328be speakers. i was on the fence going to send back my morrow audio cable. so i started back up with the pine tree audio and listened to them for maybe a week or more to develop the ear for the combination. prior to selling the more expensive cables.....i put morrow back the revels. and it was a absolute audible difference. i went back to the monitor audio and i still had them as i was selling on craigslist...and tried both cables again. no audible or noticeable difference both sounded the same-ish. i started back up morrow on the revels and put 200 or so more hours on them. maybe about 2 months ago i put the pine tree audio up on craigslist and decided to do a test again to see if i was on one and would get more money selling my morrow cables and boy was i in for a validation. there was a difference.

yesterday i was remninded the character of a speaker/cab and different cables can lead to more brittle, soft, or null sound. there are articles ive read in the past for audiophile testers as well as youtube videos where people will experiment and swap cables to round out the sound they want from testing speakers. is this a direct material science thing? or just a materials and application result.

ive come to conclusion that if you take any set of wonderful sounding speakers, and some speaker wire tests. you may not actually get results. but why is it that when more expensive or higher grade speakers are used, you can actually hear the difference and its not small by any means. he was confident that unless you use a high end setup, you may never hear the difference in cables. if you use a floor model basic rig and middle of the road speakers - and try and do a blind test it may not be the best way to make a determinatioon. it would be in the sense that if you are buying middle of the road hardware maybe you can only really validate spending a certain amount of money on cables based on your hearing and capabilities or the hardware. why buy expensive cables if your entire stereo setup is a few grand at best or less. it would be illogical, insensible, and not worth it.

post directed to the guys who have or own now exceptional speaker combinations with high end wire and amps..... did you guys notice these subtle and immediate performance and audible quality differences in your begining journey in home audio. or did it come when the painfull upgrades were accomplished.
I can not help you with your journey, only speak with mine. It's simply due to the audio industry being moribund. In my career, I deal with cabling which introduces less than 0.05 dB error/uncertainty upwards of 100 GHz.
 
I can not help you with your journey, only speak with mine. It's simply due to the audio industry being moribund. In my career, I deal with cabling which introduces less than 0.05 dB error/uncertainty upwards of 100 GHz.
Ideal for expensive HiFi mains leads, then.
 
Take two heating elements
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made of different wires in your hands and turn them on.
NiCr will give you a warm, cute warmth with a noble tone.
FeCrAl will give the usual banal heat without true, emotional warmth.
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Take two heating elements
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made of different wires in your hands and turn them on.
NiCr will give you a warm, cute warmth with a noble tone.
FeCrAl will give the usual banal heat without true, emotional warmth.
:(
The day I have a McIntosh amp lit by the gentle blue glow of Cherenkov radiation, is the day I'ld have died and went to heaven.
 
Not evident.
im gonna drop a bombshell.
not only am i nerdy and inclined in many technical skills, but if you saw me youd walk right past me. my fanciest day clothes are overalls with holes.
 
I'm guessing cryptozoologist. A real scientist would know a sentence begins with a capital letter.
dont own any i think its all a pyramid scam
 
Strange troll plus an ad selling some dubious gear. Weird.
 
ergo, why i posted a detailed experience of mine.
The level of detail doesn't make it more true or false. It just makes your description of your experience more detailed. Nobody doubts your experience. To you, it was absolutely real, just as real as you see this torus rotating:

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Sorry, but this is a troll thread. You don't come to Audio Science Review claiming that you heard better cables and then provide absolutely no evidence for such a claim.
 
Sorry, but this is a troll thread. You don't come to Audio Science Review claiming that you heard better cables and then provide absolutely no evidence for such a claim.

Yeah... Time to move on.
 
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