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Speaker Cable: Please Try This Experiment ?
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sceptical1
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There with you, just confused about being nice to new members, even if they are trolls?
But the wife will see the mess and ask if you're trying to repair the stereo
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Sorry I am not trolling. I'll be looking for my wire in the attic tomorrow. Would anyone like to test it on a purely scientific basis? I'll ship it to them
Level-matching is for listeners, not for lab work.
If the treatment (cable) changes level, equalizing it erases the treatment effect, thats post-treatment bias.
You don't test a resistors voltage drop by turning up the supply until the meter looks the same.
Speakers are motors; more input power- same state. Level-matching moves the motor to a different operating regime.
audio_tony
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Here in the UK, we use this solid copper 2.5mm "twin and earth" wire for our mains sockets.
Several years ago, I tried this as speaker cable and I didn't need to level match or do ABX tests to determine any differences.
The resulting sound was what I can only describe as 'hard' with excessive midrange.
As a further experiment in the same vein, I tried 8mm cable (this is stranded - about 8 thick strands per core) and the experience was very similar.
Reverting back to standard multi strand 'ordinary' mains cable restored the sound to normal.
I have tried this with several different amp / speaker combinations and the results have always been similar.
Solid / heavy copper does not make good speaker cables in my experience.
The 2.5mm is rated to 16A, the 8mm is rated to 45A.
Several years ago, I tried this as speaker cable and I didn't need to level match or do ABX tests to determine any differences.
The resulting sound was what I can only describe as 'hard' with excessive midrange.
As a further experiment in the same vein, I tried 8mm cable (this is stranded - about 8 thick strands per core) and the experience was very similar.
Reverting back to standard multi strand 'ordinary' mains cable restored the sound to normal.
I have tried this with several different amp / speaker combinations and the results have always been similar.
Solid / heavy copper does not make good speaker cables in my experience.
The 2.5mm is rated to 16A, the 8mm is rated to 45A.
Just buy ‘fit for purpose’ loudspeaker cable from one of the ‘pro’ audio manufacturers, Mogami,Van Damme etc.
Keith
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LOL a few years ago on a cold snowy winter day (NY) I took a box out of my closet with a birds nest of cables and chargers etc. I went thru each one and coiled and taped them up neatly and arranged them on the floor. It was quite the sight. I threw a bunch out and the keepers were placed neatly back in a smaller box. It was "fun". Well maybe not but at least satisfying
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My golden ears can hear differences in cables.
At least I did when I compared 30 year old 16 gauge AL to fresh 12 gauge copper.
At least I did when I compared 30 year old 16 gauge AL to fresh 12 gauge copper.
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Because not everyone is a stodgy old man and the bantering can be amusing.
Indeed. In the end it's a tribalist ritual. "The others" must be mocked.
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yes certainly agree
my air gap, solid core wire "experiment" was to satisfy my curiosity (aka too much time on my hands back then)
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Yes, similar to USA Romex copper which I believe is what I used for my "experiment"
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I am old and grumpy, but I do live for banter!
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The only things missing are the torches and pitchforks!Indeed. In the end it's a tribalist ritual. "The others" must be mocked.
No. That's for when we visit the others, not for when they visit us.
DSJR
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PAH!!! The recycling centre is going to have a field day when I eventually chuck out all my accumulated home made signal and mains cables
DSJR
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When you dig this cable out, clean the ends nice and shiny to make the best possible contact, make sure they're run together and not kinked up (same goes for the stranded cable too.
An audiophool suggestion that may have some credence - connect this solid-core cable up and use it for a few days at least before returning the stranded stuff. I don't care the reasoning behind how you may perceive a change as the cable is used, but my hunch is that you may be surprised
I remember about 4 decades ago there was a small (?) movement in the UK that claimed tiny solid-copper-conductor speaker wires sounded fabulous. In America where everything is "big as Texas" we knew this was BS. I never heard what happened to that movement. Did it just wither & die off (like the strangled signal to their speakers)?
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Did someone measured cables with difference materials before? Like gold, silver, copper wires because have some have lower impedance.
Can it impact sound? That i want to know.
Can it impact sound? That i want to know.
