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Sparkos SS3602 Opamp Rolling In Fosi P4

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Implication of multiplication does not similarly imply the result will be a bigger number.
However, whole number multiplication is the issue, not multiplication itself.

Note to say I consider this discussion to be a pleasant diversion. Clarity in writing is interesting but not typically a life and death issue.
 
What? Implication of multiplication does not similarly imply the result will be a bigger number. I'm assuming we all know that multiplication can result in a smaller number, just as division can result in a larger number?

Saying “10 times” implies multiplication -i.e., that X becomes larger. So when you add “shorter” to that, it directly contradicts the expectation set by “10 times,” which implies an increase.

So the phrase “10 times shorter” ends up being technically incorrect and confusing. It just doesn't hold up mathematically. It's mixing two conflicting operations. It is objectively misleading and should be avoided.

Some clear and unambiguous ways to express it are: “one-tenth,” “10 percent,” or “reduced by a factor of 10.”
 
Saying “10 times” implies multiplication -i.e., that X becomes larger.
Say what? 5 times 0.1 is what? Bigger or smaller than 5? If you can't follow this basic math, you are not going to be able to follow much else making the discussion moot...
 
Say what? 5 times 0.1 is what? Bigger or smaller than 5? If you can't follow this basic math, you are not going to be able to follow much else making the discussion moot...
The facts in this context speak for themselves, regardless of personal insinuations.
 
Next test of opamp rolling is the Burson Vivid opamps or is there already a test ?
 
Next test of opamp rolling is the Burson Vivid opamps or is there already a test ?
Don't plan to do any more tests. I have tested with them in there turning in poor results: https://www.audiosciencereview.com/...urson-soloist-3xp-review-headphone-amp.34353/

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Saying “10 times” implies multiplication -i.e., that X becomes larger. So when you add “shorter” to that, it directly contradicts the expectation set by “10 times,” which implies an increase.
You may see it that way as there is some kind of "turn" in this expression that you have to follow mentally. It is because it contains a form of negation. But to call it misleading is more of a personal interpretation than a fact.

It is no more contradictory than " I do ... not", where the "I do" is contradicted by the "not". Most negations have such a pattern.
Obviously "ten times shorter" is fully equivalent to "10db less" or “reduced by a factor of 10” the latter you gave as a clear and unambiguous expression.
Talking of mathematically correct, shouldn't it say "reduced by a divisor of 10" or "reduced by a factor of 0.1"? (Just to put on my pedant hat.)

To call some of these expressions "clear" and others "unclear" is a matter of personal taste and, as was pointed out before, depends on the context.
You might choose to avoid the negation here by using a fraction (one-tenth) but then the expression does not get simpler (or better) as a fraction contains two parts that have to be brought into the correct relation mentally too.
So you may do as you seem fit, but accept respect the choice of others too.
 
You may see it that way as there is some kind of "turn" in this expression that you have to follow mentally. It is because it contains a form of negation. But to call it misleading is more of a personal interpretation than a fact.

It is no more contradictory than " I do ... not", where the "I do" is contradicted by the "not". Most negations have such a pattern.
Obviously "ten times shorter" is fully equivalent to "10db less" or “reduced by a factor of 10” the latter you gave as a clear and unambiguous expression.
Talking of mathematically correct, shouldn't it say "reduced by a divisor of 10" or "reduced by a factor of 0.1"? (Just to put on my pedant hat.)

To call some of these expressions "clear" and others "unclear" is a matter of personal taste and, as was pointed out before, depends on the context.
You might choose to avoid the negation here by using a fraction (one-tenth) but then the expression does not get simpler (or better) as a fraction contains two parts that have to be brought into the correct relation mentally too.
So you may do as you seem fit, but accept respect the choice of others too.
While "ten times shorter" may not be strictly incorrect in some contexts, it is mathematically ambiguous and can lead to confusion. In technical terms, it implies a reduction by a factor of 10, but the phrasing introduces unnecessary complexity. A more precise and unambiguous expression would be "reduced by a factor of 10" or "one tenth." These provide clearer communication. I recall the strictness of my professors, and it seems some of that has clearly influenced me. My apologies to everyone.

In this context, it's not about respect, or a lack of it. -Just to remind you, I was the one being called stupid not too long ago... :D

In any case, I have nothing more to contribute to this off-topic discussion. Let's return to the much more "important" topic of op-amp rolling...;)
 
Good God - only on an internet forum could such a discussion (10xless) linger on for so long: Just about two weeks now**. (I was going to say only on ASR, but I don't think we are that unique) :p




** now we can discuss for another two weeks as to whether 13 days (or whatever it is to the nearest second) qualifies as "just about two weeks"
:D
 
Sorry for the wait.

I only analyzed the first video (ZA3 Stereo Stock vs ZA3 Stereo Sparkos).

The second video did not play the complete track twice, once Stock once with Sparkos, but instead played each track once and switched between configs every 5 seconds or so.

It is easier to hear the difference in the video from VirtualHiFi :)
 
It is easier to hear the difference in the video from VirtualHiFi :)
The transmitted sound is identical.

I pulled the sound files straight from YouTube'e servers, with no transcoding step in between that could've reduced fidelity.

The only difference between the video and my files is
A: my files are phase- and level-matched and
B: you don't know which one is which so your brain can't make you hear differences where there are none.
 
The transmitted sound is identical.

I pulled the sound files straight from YouTube'e servers, with no transcoding step in between that could've reduced fidelity.

The only difference between the video and my files is
A: my files are phase- and level-matched and
B: you don't know which one is which so your brain can't make you hear differences where there are none.
What files are you referring to?
 
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