Are there ny revision changes or such, internals on the pics are not the sameThanks for the testing on this Amir and to the member for sending same. A shame it's a bit of a fail...
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Are there ny revision changes or such, internals on the pics are not the sameThanks for the testing on this Amir and to the member for sending same. A shame it's a bit of a fail...
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It's missing half a dB of dynamic range. Inaudible, but I expect a $4200 piece of kit to be able to reproduce a 45 year old standard flawlessly. Maybe I'm asking too much of an amplifier these days.Can you explain how you came to that conclusion?
2nd pic is pre-production, 1st is retail production.Are there ny revision changes or such, internals on the pics are not the same
Thank you2nd pic is pre-production, 1st is retail production.
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I have 2 AVRs, used in 2 different TV rooms, mostly for everyday TV and on occasion movies, but neither of mine are set up like a theatre.I do watch movies and series at home and love them. What I don't love, need or have any use for is 10 speakers around my home with wires and subwoofers just to hear a something sound "from behind my back."
It's a gimmick made to separate people like you from your money
It's missing half a dB of dynamic range. Inaudible, but I expect a $4200 piece of kit to be able to reproduce a 45 year old standard flawlessly. Maybe I'm asking too much of an amplifier these days.
And manufacturers of all useless cr**p out there are overcome with joy from your post. They will enjoy great vacation next year thanks to you. In the meantime you can continue to slave for a wage and spend it on "monster cables"Stereo is a gimmick to separate people from their money. You get sound just fine out of one speaker, right?
I think you are extremely confused.And manufacturers of all useless cr**p out there are overcome with joy from your post. They will enjoy great vacation next year thanks to you. In the meantime you can continue to slave for a wage and spend it on "monster cables"
Buying cables around here is not a big thing. We do like the fully functioning cables and then some of us like the looks - but nothing to be confused to expecting a higher performance from such lookie-lookie cables. In my case would not call it audio jewellery, but yeah, like more imposing cables then it would be required.I think you are extremely confused.
My nine year old x3700h can hit -100db SINAD if you get the volume just right and disable the front amps and use it as an AVP. Pretty damn impressive to me. My stereo only setup features an Adcom GFP750 which may or may not bench well, and my Apollon amps which benched very well and were reviewed by Amir.The AVR. Jack of all trades, master of none. Still, this seems even worse than most and at a price that is quite high.
I can give the exact opposite advice.Steer clear of AVRs. There must be a reason they cannot put together a DAC, a preamp section and an amplifier without messing up, but I wonder why.
Yeah, the 3800 isn't a secret anymore for "best bang for your buck"!I can give the exact opposite advice.
I replaced the entire set of separate components I had with a Denon AVC X3800H. I paid less than €800 new on sale.
Now I have 13 channels, a DAC, 4K video processing, Bluetooth, a streamer, room correction, multi-sub management, a myriad of inputs and sound management options. The lost SNAD points aren't noticeable, but the features gained make a huge difference.
Find a decent AVR and enjoy the music and convenience of having everything in one.
I can give the exact opposite advice.
I replaced the entire set of separate components I had with a Denon AVC X3800H. I paid less than €800 new on sale.
Now I have 13 channels, a DAC, 4K video processing, Bluetooth, a streamer, room correction, multi-sub management, a myriad of inputs and sound management options. The lost SNAD points aren't noticeable, but the features gained make a huge difference.
Find a decent AVR and enjoy the music and convenience of having everything in one.
And, interestingly, even the "big name" manufacturers don't seem to be able to do better.
Maybe until a less big name company comes and does better...
If it wasn't $4200 I'd agree with you.Honestly, I think in my 'old" age, I am simply less concerned with things that I USED to be very concerned with.
If it sounds good and is close enough, that is all that matters now. Although I do get "Chasing" numbers, as in my teens and 20s I was VERY concerned with Specs, but just gradually came to care less and less, when I realized audibly many made no real difference.
Wow. Thats sadThis is a review and detailed measurements of the Sony STR-AZ7000ES Audio/Video Home Theater Receiver. It is on kind loan from a member and costs US $4,199.
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The unit was easy to navigate through front panel controls (didn't use the remote). Can't say the same about transporting it as weighs a ton! OK, it is 48 pounds but for me, that is heavy. So much that I could not bear rotating it to show a picture of the back side. Here is the stock image:
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I focused my testing on Front Left and Right channels. Used the pre-out for DAC measurements and speaker terminals for the amplifier. I reset the unit to factory. Firmware revision was 1.44 I think with the latest being a couple minor ones later.
Sony STR-AZ7000ES Measurements
I connected using HDMI and tried to set the output to 2 volt. I say "try" as there seemed to be a ghost in the machine. I would set the output to 2 volt, only to have it drop down. I would turn up the volume, and the cycle would repeat. I power cycled and this got me closer to the first setting but then the cycle started again. I quickly grabbed a snapshot:
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This ranks the Sony in our poor category:
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I went to run the frequency response, only to fail at that for the same reason:
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I ran one more test and then gave up on the DAC testing:
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There is a glitch visible around 0.7 volt which is likely due to same level shifting.
I tested the amplifier with analog CD input and same problem existed. I switched to HDMI, and strangely and fortunately, it resolved the problem! So here is that dashboard:
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The amplifier is good for the class:
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Good and very good is the adjective for the rest of the tests:
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It was strange to not see higher than 98 dB SNR. Usually that scales a lot more with output power (really voltage).
We are dealing with class AB amp so no load dependency:
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Intermodulation results are very good:
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This is a powerful amplifier when driven in stereo:
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Yet another very strange response:
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How could a sine impulse on the right produce so little power? Some kind of amplifier limiter protection setting in? I repeated that test and regardless of volume control setting, it would just show that 3.5 watts.
The transfer function is very unique:
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Distortion at higher frequencies sets in very early. And noise floor increases at 15 kHz+.
Finally, there is likely an audible pop on power off:
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Power on also exceeds my 1 mv target.
Conclusions
There are some serious bugs in this Sony. And they are the type that require instrumentation to find so likely poor owners don't know about them. The last Sony ES AVR did well. I don't know how the company has gone backwards and introducing such odd behavior.
The only bright light is the amplifier. Oh wait, it too had that odd peak response.
I can't recommend the Sony STR-AZ7000ES AVR. You will break your back getting it inside your home, and then again back out should you discover what I found.
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I have an AVR and enjoy it. I think it was the performance of the last two reviewed at very high prices that confused me. You would think when you get to the 4 and 5 thousand dollar level noise and distortion would be a non factor. Especially when more affordable units from Denon and Yamaha have achieved it for years.My nine year old x3700h can hit -100db SINAD if you get the volume just right and disable the front amps and use it as an AVP. Pretty damn impressive to me. My stereo only setup features an Adcom GFP750 which may or may not bench well, and my Apollon amps which benched very well and were reviewed by Amir.
Not sure what the deal is with the AVR hate, Denon at least has held up their end of the bargain, IMO.