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Some bad ideas refuse to die - console phonographs

blueone

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It just doesn't seem like putting a turntable in the same cabinet as speakers can ever be a good idea. It might be a nostalgic concept, but not a good one.

They look awesome, which is important to their target market. And they're even made in a low-cost geo - San Diego! :facepalm:

 
My parents got a Magnavox radio/phono console with a 12" electromagnetic speaker in the late 1940s. They had it for 20 years. When they got rid of it I removed the parts and put a tuner, amp, and turntable in it. I connected the speaker(s) separately. I used it for at least 10 years.
 
It just doesn't seem like putting a turntable in the same cabinet as speakers can ever be a good idea. It might be a nostalgic concept, but not a good one.

They look awesome, which is important to their target market. And they're even made in a low-cost geo - San Diego! :facepalm:

I was just fondly recalling consoles with another member.

Consoles with turntables were great back in the day:
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The turntables worked fine, despite the perception that being mounted in the same cabinet as the speakers is going to cause issues.
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Even as an all-in-one with reel to reel tape integrated, and plus a mics for home recording.
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Maybe there were models with excessive feedback, I never heard one. The speakers back then were a bit bandwidth limited so that helped. Most turntable feedback comes from the sound in the room, much less from directly coupled vibrations in the cabinet like many people believe.

They are beautiful furniture compared to many people's monument-sized systems these days.
 
IDK,they have a really cool, Mid-century Modern vibe about them. Certainly wouldn't want to use them as a primary, but there might be a room in the house where I could have one, and occasionally switch on the radio. An updated version with Dac and Streamer, and perhaps some modern drivers in them might be a nice piece to have.
 
My friend's parents had a BIG console stereo and he'd turn it up to where you could hear it half-way down the block! It had big-oval woofers, a size I've never seen anywhere else. (I don't remember how I saw the woofers... Maybe you could see through the perforated back.) I remember him playing Led Zepplin and it sounded great to me! My parents didn't have anything that impressive and if they did they wouldn't have allowed me to play it that loud.

Later they "upgraded" to something like a console with separate matching (big) speakers but it didn't play loud bass quite-like the old one. Or... maybe one of the speakers had turntable & receiver built-in with a matching satellite speaker. It was still better than the little stereo we had in our house.

The only reason I'd want a console today would be as "artwork" or as a conversation piece. But I don't have the space and I've already got TMJ (too much junk). Sometimes I wish I'd have kept my reel-to-reel for the same reason. It could go on a shelf without taking-up much space but I'm glad I got rid of it... TMJ...
 
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IDK,they have a really cool, Mid-century Modern vibe about them. Certainly wouldn't want to use them as a primary, but there might be a room in the house where I could have one, and occasionally switch on the radio. An updated version with Dac and Streamer, and perhaps some modern drivers in them might be a nice piece to have.

Mid century Danish teak sideboard in our family room (that could do with a polish)...

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(there's an IR repeater stuck to the front of the Canton centre speaker)

Denon AVR, Wii (and a lot of dust)...

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I engineered some additional airflow by modifying a 120mm PC fan to run off USB and fitting it to the back of the sideboard...

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I feel like I unknowingly stepped in something smelly.
Perhaps like smelly mothballs? ;)

But seriously, we probably do need to discuss the value of making new replicas vs. refurbishing old classics!:cool: I think I would prefer an old Curtis Mathes or Grundig to a new. Or one of these with dual 40W tube monoblocks for the 15" woofers, and 10W amps for the horn tweeters, a tuner with a dozen tubes:
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I had an uncle with one, my memory tells me that it sounded great. But I don't really trust my memory.:p It certainly played very loud.
 
But seriously, we probably do need to discuss the value of making new replicas vs. refurbishing old classics!:cool: I think I would prefer an old Curtis Mathes or Grundig to a new.
Such beautiful cabinetry! If I had one and the room for a big toy, make it like a auto restomod.
A pair of modern quality coaxial drivers, a small preamp/amp and modern digital sources of choice.
A turntable if you want but be careful and mindful of acoustic feedback into the table, it won't play it loud.
 
But I don't have the space and I've already got TMJ (too much junk).
We definitely know the feeling. There's some sort of law of human nature that says you will fill up with stuff any space you live in, however large. We have the space (five bedrooms and three bay garage) for two people, and every usable square foot of it is filled with stuff. When we visit my son and his wife, who live in a one bedroom condominium, we're often envious of their spare by comparison lifestyle. It is just so tedious and painful to get rid of TMJ once you accumulate it, and also every once in a while some of the TMJ comes into actual use, and then I have second thoughts about down-sizing.
Sometimes I wish I'd have kept my reel-to-reel for the same reason. It could go on a shelf without taking-up much space but I'm glad I got rid of it... TMJ...
A long time ago I came across a Crown CX-822 tape deck listed in an estate sale. I was told the owner's wife never saw it being used, and it looked absolutely mint when I examined it. I was the only bidder, and got it at a silly low price. Complete with the walnut cabinet. I bought numerous reels of Ampex 456, a Calrec mic, and recorded mostly my wife playing our pianos. For many years I kept it around just for the novelty of it. When Ampex tape went out of production in 1995, I lost interest, and in the mid-2000s I sold it to a co-worker. A few years later I regretted selling it, so I still have the Marantz 2110 tuner (with a scope) in mint condition I found in the same estate sale. It sits in a closet, part of my TMJ.
 
You know if the options are a Sonos ARC which is what many folks think of as Hi-Fi... why not go this route? It isn't for me, or most folks here, but out there in the real world, it is a better option than what most civilians choose.

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They look awesome, which is important to their target market.

Let's face it, that does look awesome.

And for medium level intimate listening, speakers and a turntable with decent isolation along with proper LF filtering in the amp, it won't be a problem.
 
Let's face it, that does look awesome.

And for medium level intimate listening, speakers and a turntable with decent isolation along with proper LF filtering in the amp, it won't be a problem.
Alright, I give up. If John says it's ok, I'm convinced that well-designed consoles are at least good enough for Harry Bosch classic jazz listening levels. :)
 
Nobody has asked the prices yet...
I will tell you that that old 50s and 60s Grundig's and Telefunken's with the austere mid century modern style go for ~$1500 in the US including the that periods electronics and speakers.
 
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