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[Deleted member 43957]

Questions for current owners of the Salon 2, how far from the back wall are you placing them for optimum bass response? Are you measuring from the tweeter or the back of the cabinet?

 

[Lsc]

Questions for current owners of the Salon 2, how far from the back wall are you placing them for optimum bass response? Are you measuring from the tweeter or the back of the cabinet?

My salon2 is 3 feet away from the back wall to the tweeter. I don’t know if this is optimal but it’s the farthest I can pull it out.

 

[Deleted member 43957]

My salon2 is 3 feet away from the back wall to the tweeter. I don’t know if Thai is optimal but it’s the farthest I can pull it out.

I assume that the measurements that we see are from the tweeter, that's the standard?

 

[fpitas]

I assume that the measurements that we see are from the tweeter, that's the standard?

Stereophile says, "Fig.4 shows how these individual drive-unit outputs add up on the tweeter axis in the farfield."

Revel Ultima Salon2 loudspeaker Measurements | Stereophile.com

Sidebar 3: Measurements My estimate of the Revel Ultima Salon2's voltage sensitivity was 86dB(B)/2.83V/m. This is slightly lower than the specified 86.4dB but within experimental error of that figure. The speaker's impedance (fig.1) drops to between 3 and 5 ohms between 17Hz and 600Hz, but as...

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[Deleted member 43957]

Stereophile says, "Fig.4 shows how these individual drive-unit outputs add up on the tweeter axis in the farfield."

Revel Ultima Salon2 loudspeaker Measurements | Stereophile.com

Sidebar 3: Measurements My estimate of the Revel Ultima Salon2's voltage sensitivity was 86dB(B)/2.83V/m. This is slightly lower than the specified 86.4dB but within experimental error of that figure. The speaker's impedance (fig.1) drops to between 3 and 5 ohms between 17Hz and 600Hz, but as...

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Actually... I was asking about a physical measurement of distance from the tweeter to the wall... versus from the back of the speaker cabinet to the wall... lol... but thanks.

 

[blueone]

Questions for current owners of the Salon 2, how far from the back wall are you placing them for optimum bass response? Are you measuring from the tweeter or the back of the cabinet?

Five feet from the tweeter to the wall behind the speaker. I optimize positioning for stereo imaging, which when I've measured has a strong correlation with midrange frequency response smoothness. (I'm not technical enough about audio to explain that correlation.) The optimal positioning in my experience will vary by room characteristics, such as volume and ceiling height. Also, in some large rooms, like mine, bass response from the Salon2 may suffer with placement this far away from the wall behind, so I use a subwoofer for response smoothing and augmentation. In my experience the Salon2s are also best at least four feet from the side walls, and the more distance the better for imaging it seems.

As I've posted before, I use Track 10 from the 1990 Stereophile Test CD, recorded by John Atkinson, as a definitive test for sufficiently good imaging.

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Track information, Track 10 [10] Frederic Chopin: Scherzo in b-flat, Op.31 (ADD) 9:49Anna Maria Stanczyk (Hamburg Steinway piano)Recording Venue: Derngate Centre, Northampton, EnglandRecording Date: September 22, 1983Recording Engineer: John AtkinsonMicrophone: Calrec Soundfield Mk.III, set to...

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As @John Atkinson states in the track notes, the "Well done!" exclamation at the end of track is an indicator of excellent system imaging if the voice comes from well beyond the edge of the left speaker. It's easily the most binary test for good imaging I've ever encountered in a commercial recording, and the recording and the performance are good enough I always listen to the entire track. I've been using this track for about 30 years to detect when speaker placement is optimal for imaging. In my experience it just works.

 

[BlackTalon]

Five feet from the tweeter to the wall behind the speaker. I optimize positioning for stereo imaging, which when I've measured has a strong correlation with midrange frequency response smoothness. (I'm not technical enough about audio to explain that correlation.) The optimal positioning in my experience will vary by room characteristics, such as volume and ceiling height. Also, in some large rooms, like mine, bass response from the Salon2 may suffer with placement this far away from the wall behind, so I use a subwoofer for response smoothing and augmentation. In my experience the Salon2s are also best at least four feet from the side walls, and the more distance the better for imaging it seems.

How far away is your listening position?

 

[amirm]

Questions for current owners of the Salon 2, how far from the back wall are you placing them for optimum bass response? Are you measuring from the tweeter or the back of the cabinet?

Mine is 3 or so feet from back wall (from the back of the speaker). You need to use EQ for bass anyway. The issue with Salon 2 is that its tweeter is pretty high. So you need to sit far enough back as otherwise, you are way off axis. I am probably 15 feet away.

 

[Deleted member 43957]

How far away is your listening position?

With the tweeter 54" from the back wall, which means the back of the cabinet is 30" from it, my listening position is 10' away and the speakers are spread 10' apart. They are each 40" from the side walls. My listening position is 40" from the front wall. Thoughts?

 

[blueone]

How far away is your listening position?

The front edges of the Salon2s are almost exactly 14 feet from my ear position in my listening seat. The Salon2s are exactly 10 feet apart measured from the tweeters, placed on the long wall of the room, more than 7 feet from the nearest side wall (which is curved). The room is about 8500 cubic feet with a ~13 feet high ceiling.

 

[Deleted member 43957]

Mine is 3 or so feet from back wall (from the back of the speaker). You need to use EQ for bass anyway. The issue with Salon 2 is that its tweeter is pretty high. So you need to sit far enough back as otherwise, you are way off axis. I am probably 15 feet away.

Since the furthest listening position is 10' with my ear at 36". How high would I need to sit at that distance In order to on axis with the tweeter? I can use lifters on the couch to raise it 4-6". Can I address this with REW? I can't buy a bigger house.

 

[BlackTalon]

The fronts of my current speakers are about 44 inches from the wall, and the seating position is another 8 feet out into the room (and 9 feet from the speaker fronts when measured along the edge of the triangle). Ear height on sofa is 39 inches when slumped a little, 41 inches when sitting upright. The sofa cannot be pushed any further out into the room.

It's a dilemma. Seems like it's close to being ok, but maybe not close enough.

 

[sarumbear]

Mine is 3 or so feet from back wall (from the back of the speaker). You need to use EQ for bass anyway. The issue with Salon 2 is that its tweeter is pretty high. So you need to sit far enough back as otherwise, you are way off axis. I am probably 15 feet away.

I have them tilted.

 

[GXAlan]

Tempting…anyone in Chicago interested in a pair of mahogany Gem2’s on pedestal stands?

Not in Chicago, but I am interested if you can safely ship. Sometimes Harman Luxury has spare boxes and sometimes they don’t.

I will say that I have bought from Albert at https://www.pavchicago.com/ and he has a pretty thriving Audiogon used gear presence. He gave me good trade value but I imagine he might pay you cash too.

 

[restorer-john]

I have then tilted.

Or get a height adjustable stool, strap a laser level on your head at ear height and aim it at the tweeter.

It's the only way to be sure.

 

[Deleted member 43957]

I have then tilted.

Tilted down? How much did you elevate the rear? What is your ear height in listening position?

 

[jhaider]

Not in Chicago, but I am interested if you can safely ship. Sometimes Harman Luxury has spare boxes and sometimes they don’t.

Alas, Harman’s packing for the pedestal stands cannot stand up to normal consumer shipping. My first pair came from the dealer via FedEx. Both arrived with the bottom plate sheared off from the post. The second set came on a pallet and arrived as expected.

At any rate, despite the crazy good deal right now I’m out of the Salon2 market. The footprint would dominate our formal living room. Honestly the marginal gain from Gem2 + multisubs/DLBC is likely de minimis anyway.

 

[GXAlan]

Alas, Harman’s packing for the pedestal stands cannot stand up to normal consumer shipping. My first pair came from the dealer via FedEx. Both arrived with the bottom plate sheared off from the post. The second set came on a pallet and arrived as expected.

At any rate, despite the crazy good deal right now I’m out of the Salon2 market. The footprint would dominate our formal living room. Honestly the marginal gain from Gem2 + multisubs/DLBC is likely de minimis anyway.

Ah. Now it makes sense why there are more Gem2’s WITHOUT the pedestal on the used market than there are Gem2’s with a pedestal.

Agreed about the Gem2’s. That’s why I wanted those instead of the Salon2

 

[Lsc]

I’m about 12.5 feet from the speakers so considering the +/- 10 degrees means my ear level at the listening position is ok.

I also use subs but it’s optional for music.

 

[Deleted member 43957]

Ok guys... it's been 50 years since my last geometry class, so be gentle. If the dispersion angle of the tweeter is 10 degrees (is this accurate?) and my listening position is 10 feet away, I come up with an ear level of 10.5" above or below the tweeter to be within the on axis range. My Salons aren't here yet, so I can't measure the tweeter height, can someone supply that figure? My ear level is 36", so if the tweeter is 46.5" or lower, I'm "in the zone", otherwise I need to tilt the speaker or raise my position, it to do so. My old math teacher just passed away at 91, so I can't ask him... so I'm asking you guys to check my work and offer either answers or good natured rebuke for my luddite approach... along with answers... lol. The "little grey cells" ain't what they used to be. Thanks.