Snobbery in Hi-Fi. Why are people so stupid and turn their noses up at gear costing much less which is just as good?

[EJ3]

Maybe I don't understand this snobbery concept because I am man of gluttony and lust. And I like to indulge in such to enjoy life for myself.

We are likely only passing this way once. (if we are not intentionally hurting others), We may as well enjoy it.
And it is not our fault if there emotions cause them to feel bad about what someone else has.
I do not feel bad if someone has more or better stuff than me, I feel happy for them and think to myself that, if I wanted whatever, I should educate myself on how to get whatever it is. Then, if I really want it, I'll go to more university or go work in that field or whatever else that it takes to obtain it.
Usually, I'm happy with what I have already worked for. But sometimes, if I want it enough, I figure out how to get into that position.
So that I can get what it is that I want.

Some would argue that the proper dress watch for a lady would be no watch. A lady does not need to know the time. I am thinking of going watchless, since I never look at my watch or my phone when i'm out with my friends. It's a way of saying, "my time is for you, I don't have to be anywhere else, and i'll leave when everyone leaves".

I went watch-less for 8 years. Then I got married, my wife bought me a nicer watch than I have ever had (RACINE) and said that I needed one so that I could be where I needed to be in a timely fashion. I think that my mother put her up to that.

 

[Gorgonzola]

Nope, these are the 2 most often heard replys.
Your system isn't resolving enough to hear the difference.
Your ears haven't been trained to appreciate the differences.
Your gear or your ear, that's the problem. LOL

Yes, these are common responses which you are quite correct to mention.

But in my case it's personal. I'm well known on multiple audiophile forums for having decades of listening experience. My system is acknowledge to be resolving and my particular ears aren't challenged in the usual way you mention.

 

[Sal1950]

I had a upper middle class Thai girlfriend (retired at 38) after selling her beauty shop in a higher end section of Bangkok). She had a "like it drove off the showroom floor yesterday" 7 year old Toyota Camry, she had paid her mother's home off out in the country and had a very modest townhouse with individual carport for 2 cars.
She dressed nicely but modestly in quality clothing.

Yea yea, but how was she in bed ?

am thinking of going watchless, since I never look at my watch or my phone when i'm out with my friends. It's a way of saying, "my time is for you, I don't have to be anywhere else, and i'll leave when everyone leaves".

Oh lord.

 

[EJ3]

Yea yea, but how was she in bed ?

Well, I allowed her to follow me around the world for 2 years. Singapore, Saipan, Austria, and other places.
But she wanted me to marry her and us live in Bangkok (were I would effectively be a "kept" man relying on her money).
As there is no way that I could make the money that I was making doing what I was doing, I was trying to get my way out of it.
Even after I met the woman that would eventually (but we were not yet dating), I told the one that became my wife that I had to go see my girlfriend in Thailand. From Saipan and did for a week. But after I came back to Saipan & stated dating the woman that became my wife, I called the one in Thailand & told her that I just can't do that. (which I already knew before hand, I just didn't have a good exit strategy before that).

 

[Sal1950]

Well, I allowed her to follow me around the world for 2 years. Singapore, Saipan, Austria, and other places.
But she wanted me to marry her and us live in Bangkok (were I would effectively be a "kept" man relying on her money).

That in no way answered my question ?

 

[Keith_W]

Oh lord.

THAT'S the Sal I know!! I wondered what happened to you for the past few months, you've actually been NICE to people! Good to have you back!

 

[EJ3]

That in no way answered my question ?

That in no way answered my question ?

If she wasn't wonderful in every way, I'd have just made sure not to tell her where I was going to be when, so she could not show up in the places I was at.
And I could find my own local gal.

 

[Sal1950]

THAT'S the Sal I know!! I wondered what happened to you for the past few months, you've actually been NICE to people! Good to have you back!

Thanks! Wouldn't want to spoil my bad reputation.

 

[Audionaut]

I couldn't care less how much money or possessions someone has, as long as they're a nice person.
What I really can't stand are people who show off and think that their possessions make them a great person.
You find these posers everywhere and in every social class.
If I can avoid running into them, that's worth a lot to me. Unfortunately, that doesn't always work out.

 

[Oddball]

I'd probably choose Heco La Diva with their nonexistent distortion at high volume

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Under 1% everywhere. Lol. Capable of ludicrous volume way north of 110dB. 4x passive membranes, 9-10k € / pair

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I got them for 7K EUR about 2 years ago. They are really amazing and play extremely loud and clear, and go down to 30hz in room if that is relevant for a given setup. Auditioned Perlisten R7t (and S7t for that matter), but after listening to La Divas twice, went with Heco. Revel 328's were another consideration but cheapest I could find them was around EUR 12K, so could not really justify that. Highly recommended in all respects.

 

[Newman]

I couldn't care less how much money or possessions someone has, as long as they're a nice person.
What I really can't stand are people who show off and think that their possessions make them a great person.
You find these posers everywhere and in every social class.
If I can avoid running into them, that's worth a lot to me. Unfortunately, that doesn't always work out.

Well, you came to the wrong place (audio forums) if that is your plan.

ASR might be the least worst of a bad lot in that regard, but clearly not immune.

Better IMO to laugh one's head off at it and be entertained, like a Monty Python sketch on upper class twits!

cheers

 

[Ropeburn]

I got them for 7K EUR about 2 years ago. They are really amazing and play extremely loud and clear, and go down to 30hz in room if that is relevant for a given setup. Auditioned Perlisten R7t (and S7t for that matter), but after listening to La Divas twice, went with Heco. Revel 328's were another consideration but cheapest I could find them was around EUR 12K, so could not really justify that. Highly recommended in all respects.

Well great. Now I got a first hand recommendation for something I can never afford. Thanks for that.

30 Hz at high volume and very low distortion both... damn, that's really good and sufficiently close enough to "full range" for not bothering with subwoofers for most music. Terrific!

 

[Paul7777x]

I couldn't care less how much money or possessions someone has, as long as they're a nice person.
What I really can't stand are people who show off and think that their possessions make them a great person.
You find these posers everywhere and in every social class.
If I can avoid running into them, that's worth a lot to me. Unfortunately, that doesn't always work out.

I’m not sure if I’ve been fortunate or that the number of such people is relatively small, but I haven’t met very many at all. Thank the gods.

I did meet a few at university whilst a lot younger, and it was quite a revelation to me.

I had no idea such minds existed.

I still have no idea how such a mind works; that is, what goes on inside such a head?

When I do meet such the most I can do is look blankly at them and ask what they mean… I can’t even manufacture much distaste for them, as, as I’ve said, I don’t know how they’re thinking or why.

 

[Paul7777x]

I got them for 7K EUR about 2 years ago. They are really amazing and play extremely loud and clear, and go down to 30hz in room if that is relevant for a given setup. Auditioned Perlisten R7t (and S7t for that matter), but after listening to La Divas twice, went with Heco. Revel 328's were another consideration but cheapest I could find them was around EUR 12K, so could not really justify that. Highly recommended in all respects.

Would you have chosen the Revels had they been available at the price you paid for the Heco’s?

 

[Ropeburn]

Well, you came to the wrong place (audio forums) if that is your plan.

ASR might be the least worst of a bad lot in that regard, but clearly not immune.

Better IMO to laugh one's head off at it and be entertained, like a Monty Python sketch on upper class twits!

cheers

Not immune certainly, but I find it so low and infrequent on here, it's pretty much a low ground noise. Negligible.

I'm very much one of the working class guys here, with comparably tiny money for hifi. Not once have I felt boasted or scoffed at by anyone. And we have lots of members able and willing to spend big money on the hobby. I don't remember anyone writing in a way to make "the little guy" feel bad. On the contrary. Whenever there's a member putting together a budget system and obviously enjoying it, there's nothing but cheering.

 

[Paul7777x]

Not immune certainly, but I find it so low and infrequent on here, it's pretty much a low ground noise. Negligible.

I'm very much one of the working class guys here, with comparably tiny money for hifi. Not once have I felt boasted or scoffed at by anyone. And we have lots of members able and willing to spend big money on the hobby. I don't remember anyone writing in a way to make "the little guy" feel bad. On the contrary. Whenever there's a member putting together a budget system and obviously enjoying it, there's nothing but cheering.

Agreed. This is the least pompous gimp populated site I’ve been part of.

And the time taken by those technically capable of offering advice and encouragement is impressive indeed.

 

[Oddball]

Well great. Now I got a first hand recommendation for something I can never afford. Thanks for that.

30 Hz at high volume and very low distortion both... damn, that's really good and sufficiently close enough to "full range" for not bothering with subwoofers for most music. Terrific!

Lol, aford is a relative thing. Pretty sure they will last 20 years, which is about 30 EUR a month. I just saved 10 EUR as did not want to go out for a bad coffee with my wife and made my good coffee at home. And that's only today.

These things can really do well even when stretched. I was pulling them apart with prior Audy setup with full range signal and LFE distribution in addition to that. They were really excelling in low end. But never heard them better than in ART setup where they start to contribute at higher SPL at around 100hz. No tower is really a substitute for the sub, but these can do as decent job as any passive tower could.

 

[wadude]

Once someone gets the reality around the marketing of cables it’s easier to make points about other high end audio myths. Then better hifi becomes the goal and money can be spent more wisely.

 

[Oddball]

Would you have chosen the Revels had they been available at the price you paid for the Heco’s?

Probably not. At that time I did not have option to audition 328s, which was a deal breaker. Since then, I managed to hear 328s and they are grand, but still prefer La Diva sound. I also love the looks of it - which is individual of course.

In terms of sound, it is really design of the speakers with 4 passive radiators, so not ported but not sealed as well. Mid-range driver is housed in a chamber that is filled with foam, but has opening on the back and some have used the term mild-dipole to describe the design. Per Heco, this is so that mid-range driver will never overheat. I have really never heard strings sound so good on any speaker. Played a guitar in my youth so love for the strings remains strong. So it really sounds unique, not in the audiophile bla bla way, but due to its unique design features that can actually be heard and explained.

As far as playing loud, it gets louder than 328s. In 328 demo we stopped at some 105dB as it was getting uncomfortable. With Heco we went past 110dB without problems and even at 115dB it was still composed but with obviously higher distortion. Heco produces the drivers as well so this is end-to-end in-house project where they optimized as much as they could to get to a reference speaker. Heco actually produces great speakers so even their $1K offering is highly praised but often forgotten.

 

[steve59]

Badge snobs, the bias influenced, why are these people so blind to see there is nothing mystic about hifi, great sound is basically achievable at much lower costs than they are prepared to completely shell out for. Yet they still get hoodwinked by brands, kudos and status associated with equipment. The upgrade myth is still a thing. Good gear is good gear regardless of age, price or branding.

I get we all like different things and often different effects from equipment is what we are individually looking for, but manufacturers really take advantage I feel. And now with more and more well designed equipment available at lower prices than its ever been theres no need to, yet there are still some who can't help themselves and are falling for it hook line and sinker.

I read the thread title and think using the word stupid speaks more about the poster. You want us to start a fund for the homeless no doubt. only build Nissan, Ford & Chevy. Oatmeal 3 meals a day, shop at at Aldi's and Walmart. Don't wear jewelry, especially wristwatches since we all carry cell phones now. Where does your logic stop?