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Snobbery in Hi-Fi. Why are people so stupid and turn their noses up at gear costing much less which is just as good?

Wow, I'm staggered, what an awesome system.
And your right, we all have a priority list we use to judge what we spend our disposable income on.
Just as long as your kids aren't going hungry or to school in raggedy clothes, no one has any business making judgements.
Enjoy partner! ;)
Well said.
 
Thanks! Definitely. I bought everything used for the most part except for the Trinnov CI (which I got a killer deal on) and some of the AHB2's. Three of the subs I bought needed work, so they were dirt cheap too :) Of course, everything has gone up in price since 2018 when I first built the room. Hopefully the Trinnov comes next week so I can try out Atmos finally.

Wow, I'm staggered, what an awesome system.
And your right, we all have a priority list we use to judge what we spend our disposable income on.
Just as long as your kids aren't going hungry or to school in raggedy clothes, no one has any business making judgements.
Enjoy partner! ;)
Gluttonous, over-the-top, luxury. . .yeah baby, enjoy the shit out of life!!!!
 
This thread has already served a most entertaining purpose of outing actual hifi snobs. ;)

It's been great! Please Proceed. :):)

Especially the aggressive moral defence of self-indulgence by rich kids. Puts the entertainment factor through the roof! :p:p

Top thread.
 
Thanks! Definitely. I bought everything used for the most part except for the Trinnov CI (which I got a killer deal on) and some of the AHB2's. Three of the subs I bought needed work, so they were dirt cheap too :) Of course, everything has gone up in price since 2018 when I first built the room. Hopefully the Trinnov comes next week so I can try out Atmos finally.
I only hear rave reviews about Trinnov.

My AHB2 was also from the used market. But these things are designed with endless fault safeguards and are very reliable. . .unlike some of the Topping amps that I read about.
 
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This thread has already served a most entertaining purpose of outing actual hifi snobs. ;)

It's been great! Please Proceed. :):)

Especially the aggressive moral defence of self-indulgence by rich kids. Puts the entertainment factor through the roof! :p:p

Top thread.
No one is being "outted" here, those who are sharing what they own are happily volunteering to tell us how they are spending money for enjoyment.

I don't consider myself rich in my own standards, I only wish I was and if I were, there will be no moral defense, because there is nothing to defend, just a whole lot to celebrate.
 
Like it said, I enjoy it too! Keep going. :p :p :p
 
“ heavy objects being hurled in glass houses alert”
:p
 
Just discovered this thread and have only started reading the first several pages. I’m sure it’s gone some interesting places.

But somewhat tangentially on the subject of prices and snobbery…

I’ve been sort of surprised over the years at the responses of many guests when they notice or ask about my “high end” stereo equipment. The speakers especially tended to be prominent enough in the living room to gather some queries even from non-audiophiles. And aside from friends, family, and colleagues many of whom were musicians and enjoyed having a listen to the system, there’s also been lots of contractors, service-men etc through the house who noticed the gear and asked me about it - sometimes wanting to give it a listen.
(Just a couple weeks ago the guy working on our bathroom called me into the main floor room in which my turntable and audio rack was sitting. He was pointing at my Transrotor Turntable, asking what it was “I’ve seen one of these before I think. Doesn’t it press records or something?”
(I told him no it plays records… and he was extra fascinated by it and kept asking me about the gear).

Anyway, what has surprised me is that virtually none of the guests who discussed my equipment with me or listen to the system seemed to be put off by it. I didn’t get the sense that any of them were thinking that it was strange, or that I was a nut for spending a lot of money and time doing this. They all seem to understand “that’s his hobby, his passion” and many seemed fairly intrigued or understanding about the whole thing.
Especially if the guest actually decided to sit down for a listen to this system, almost all of them “got it” to one degree or another - not something they would spend their money on but it didn’t seem crazy to them and they enjoyed the experience. (Ironically the least interested person is my wife …alas….)

I’m not that surprised that so many of my musician friends enjoy listening to the system, even though they don’t spend their money that way either generally.

I just thought, given the cliché that the regular public thinks we are nuts, or pretentious or whatever, that I would’ve encountered at least some of that over the years given how many non-audiophiles people have commented on or listened to the system.
But almost all seem really understanding “yeah…. it’s somebody’s passion and hobby… I get it.”

(And yes, I’m sure the first thought is “ they were all just being polite”… and certainly they were… but it’s not that hard to discern when somebody is being honest, or is showing honest interest).
 
Again, back to Veblen.

There are people that prioritize STATUS. They "enjoy" spending their money to simply be perceived as wealthier than most.

How it looks may be irrelevant from an aesthetics POV, so long as it gives the vibe "I have silly money".

How it actually functions is right down at the bottom of their priorities list, in fact to even discuss that aspect is too plebian for them.

Yes this is an extreme illustration, but the "evil science" of marketing is usually striving to use its propaganda techniques to bypass buyers' rationality.

At a more prosaic level, maximising utility-value for money is HARD, takes a lot of time / energy, and specialised knowledge - 99% of buyers just use "brand reputation" as a proxy stand-in to make life easy.

It’s my view that very, very few audiophiles fit the profile of seeking “status” with their audio purchases - even among those who can own very expensive equipment. I believe by far the vast majority of audiophiles, whether of modest means or rich, tend to be driven by similar passion for audio gear/music listening.

And I think a lot of the characterizations derive from something like “I’m the one making sensible choices with my money and I’m in for the music. Those OTHERS audiophiles have lower motives…”(status…mindless consumption, suckers, etc)

And of course there’s the obverse from the golden ears “ you folks who just buy the cheap good measuring stuff just dump on expensive high end gear because you’re jealous and can’t afford it…”
 
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there’s also been lots of contractors, service-men etc through the house who noticed the gear and asked me about it
Same here most recently the bloke who came round to measure up for a new door. And the cable TV man, who pointed at the speakers on the TV system and said 'Hey I bet these can really kick it out!'

One time I sold some speakers to the bloke who came to plaster the hallway. He wanted to revisit the Van Halen albums from his youth.
 
For people who won't bother:
Hooper's Law: All audiophiles threads, if long enough, will eventually involve talking about watches.
I'll add: or anything NOT involving audio. And admit I am guilty of that and of following it, as many times, I learn something from it.
Reminds me of one of my own laws - 'If you leave the TV on the same channel for long enough, eventually 'Forged In Fire' will come on'.

Or my father's 3 laws for vacation:

1) Never go to a country that's colder than the one you live in
2) Never stay in a hotel that's worse than your own house
3) Never fly on an airline that doesn't use the same alphabet as you
 
I occasionally visit a audiophile site where one frequently encounters someone who says (e.g.) words to the effect, "You can't expect a $300 DAC to sound as good as a $6000 DAC". If you challenge that, you are likely to be told, (A) that the components of the latter are so much better than the former tha one may expect it to sound better, and/or (B) that they listened, (sighted of course), to the $300 item and can assure you that it just didn't sound as good.

Generally they will admit that there is no absolute, linear relationship between price and sound quality but that, generally more expensive MUST be better.

A confounding factor is that many of these audiophiles LIKE a certain type & amount of distortion. Once you start to choose amongst degree of distortion who's to say which is better? It's pure subjective choice that no one can dispute. Even so, the tendency is to prefer the more expensive component. :confused: :facepalm:
 
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I am kind of a 'reversed technical snob'. Compared to many people here (on ASR), I am a moderate spender. Compared to some of the people I volunteer for, I am absurdly rich. (But in the context of ASR, I am certainly not.) Compared to most of my peers, I spend a lot more on audio gear, and more importantly allow a lot more physical space for it.
As I mentioned elsewhere on this forum, the looks of gear matter to me, in general. And I am prepared to pay for that. What makes me a 'reversed snob' is that I tend to downplay the money I spend on my stuff, if I am asked about it. In general, the looks and performance of technical things (audio gear, watches, cars) are important to me, but not to impress. I think that there is some snobbery involved in my purchasing decisions, mostly for looks and the feeling that I know better than most.

What it boils down to is that my snobbery is not about money but about well chosen performance.
 
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Yep, Benchmark products are designed for longevity. I bought 5 AHB2's that were used in research, and sent two of them to benchmark to remove water blocks the university had installed. They tested fine on their AP analyzer before and after they replaced the heat sinks. Good luck getting some "$300 DAC" manufacturer to work on anything outside of warranty or even answer the phone when you call.

I only hear rave reviews about Trinnov.

My AHB2 was also from the used market. But these things are designed with endless fault safeguards and are very reliable. . .unlike some of the Topping amps that I read about.
 
I wish I was a kid, it would be great to be 30 years younger.

I wish I was rich, it would be great not to have to work everyday when I'm almost 50.

It's sad when folks are so poor that they think middle class people who have 16 pro-audio amps are rich... Really speaks to our economy and how our country has been robbed blind and continues to be.

This thread has already served a most entertaining purpose of outing actual hifi snobs. ;)

It's been great! Please Proceed. :):)

Especially the aggressive moral defence of self-indulgence by rich kids. Puts the entertainment factor through the roof! :p:p

Top thread.
 
Same here most recently the bloke who came round to measure up for a new door. And the cable TV man, who pointed at the speakers on the TV system and said 'Hey I bet these can really kick it out!'

One time I sold some speakers to the bloke who came to plaster the hallway. He wanted to revisit the Van Halen albums from his youth.

I’ve had a few contractors and service people sit down to listen to my system - somewhere interested in gear but nothing like audiophiles, but occasionally they have been audiophiles themselves, which has been a fun conversation.

I remember one very non-audiophile sitting to listen to the system I had at the time (Hales Transcendence stand mounted speakers with a little Eico HF81 old tube amp). It was our interior decorator. He sat down and I played a very nice track from Everything But The Girl
and to my surprise, when it was finished he had tears flowing from his eyes. He said the music and the sound was so beautiful and enveloping. He got it. (even though he certainly was not suddenly a converted audiophile).

On the other hand, your mention of the cable guy coming over reminds me of a cringe inducing experience with a cable guy at my place.

I had just bought my Joseph Audio Perspective2 speakers - had just received them and set them up in my listening room the day before. What are the reasons I spent more on the speakers is because I admired the aesthetics so much in terms of the high-quality fit and finish. Though that comes at the price that the black areas (front baffle, top of speaker and back of speaker) can be easy to scratch.

But the day after I received the speakers, a cable guy came in to do some work, including in that room. I’d only left him in that room for maybe 15 or 20 minutes and when I popped back in I’d found that he left his tools on top of the speakers! Belt, gloves, screwdrivers, pliers….

Eeeeeeeeek!!!’

I asked him to please take the gear off the speakers (actually I took them off gently and thank goodness no scratches). He was a bit baffled as to why anybody would care about placing anything on a loudspeaker.

Which is just one example of many which reminded me that for many people (and this actually tended to be people closer to my age), the idea of a truly expensive “ be careful with it” loudspeaker was just not a thing they were familiar with.

Loudspeakers where to be generally set up in a corner somewhere, with some sort of cheap wood finish, and you could place anything you wanted on top… a plant vase, ashtray, your can of beer, whatever.

Those are the folks who when they come into my listening room well often end up standing beside a speaker, and then leaning on it while speaking. Of course my eyes go right to whether they are wearing a ring or not (hence scratching the finish) and I have to figure out how to ask them not to lean on the speaker without seeming like an asshole.

I have a good friend who is a sort of local “fix it guy” and whenever he comes over, I have to be careful because the whole expensive audio gear thing just does not click with him.
He always wants to lean on the nearest speaker or take out a tool and just wildly inches from the speaker with the tool, etc.
Totally different mindset.

Understandable since I would be clueless about many other hobbies.
 
On the other hand, your mention of the cable guy coming over reminds me of a cringe inducing experience with a cable guy at my place.

I had just bought my Joseph Audio Perspective2 speakers - had just received them and set them up in my listening room the day before. What are the reasons I spent more on the speakers is because I admired the aesthetics so much in terms of the high-quality fit and finish. Though that comes at the price that the black areas (front baffle, top of speaker and back of speaker) can be easy to scratch.

But the day after I received the speakers, a cable guy came in to do some work, including in that room. I’d only left him in that room for maybe 15 or 20 minutes and when I popped back in I’d found that he left his tools on top of the speakers! Belt, gloves, screwdrivers, pliers….

Eeeeeeeeek!!!’

I asked him to please take the gear off the speakers (actually I took them off gently and thank goodness no scratches). He was a bit baffled as to why anybody would care about placing anything on a loudspeaker.

Which is just one example of many which reminded me that for many people (and this actually tended to be people closer to my age), the idea of a truly expensive “ be careful with it” loudspeaker was just not a thing they were familiar with.

Loudspeakers where to be generally set up in a corner somewhere, with some sort of cheap wood finish, and you could place anything you wanted on top… a plant vase, ashtray, your can of beer, whatever.

Those are the folks who when they come into my listening room well often end up standing beside a speaker, and then leaning on it while speaking. Of course my eyes go right to whether they are wearing a ring or not (hence scratching the finish) and I have to figure out how to ask them not to lean on the speaker without seeming like an asshole.
I'm the same. I had a pal stay for a few days while we went metal-detecting. He packed up to leave, was waiting on his brother showing up.

He comes down from the guest room with his bergen and where does he put it? I mean, given it's a big living room and there's a dozen places he could put it safely out of the way. Nope, he puts it leaning up against the bass driver of one of the speakers. :facepalm:

I was trying not to say anything but I was pondering how to broach it, thankfully his brother showed up before I came up with something.
 
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