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Snobbery in Hi-Fi. Why are people so stupid and turn their noses up at gear costing much less which is just as good?

Purité Audio said:
Yes because cars are just so good for the planet.
Keith
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Keith, I respect the concern, but this comment isn’t really about the environment, it’s about people feeling uncomfortable when others enjoy something they can’t relate to. Cars aren’t perfect for the planet. Neither are phones, electronics, air travel, air‑conditioning, or the servers running this comment.

Yet here we are.
 
Groove01 said:
Fair question. I can only share my perspective. As I see it, the point of ASR was to inform people so they can make better and more informed decisions, trade offs, etc., as it pertains to audio and audio equipment.

Love it.

What I observe is a lot of this:


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This narrative seems to be pretty prevalent on ASR and a recurring theme. I just don’t see how any of this is useful and it comes off as arrogance/disdain vs objectivity.

Anecdotally, it just seems like new members don’t stick around very long, or become active after their first post (and some older respected members are no longer active). That’s just my opinion/observation for all that’s worth (not much - lol).
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You can't control what individuals post. It's a forum! But what you describe has been the opposite of my experience, especially compared to other audio forums. The overall bias here is heavily toward testable results.

Reviews are the spine of the site, and set the tone. *Anything* gets reviewed! $12 dongles. Little bitty amps. Speakers made out of plastic. Whatever its quirks, this place has the most level playing field I've seen online.
 
ErVikingo said:
This is a typical conversation on most everything in life these days. I see it in cars and bikes constantly. We need to live and let live.

It’s interesting how every time someone buys a nicer or more expensive car, stereo, bike, guitar, anything, the criticism suddenly appears. People start comparing, judging, or explaining why they would never spend that much; as if someone else’s choices needed their approval.

The truth is simple: everyone invests in what they love.

Some spend on travel, others on watches, hobbies, or their home, cars and some of us on audio equipment. And all of that is perfectly valid.

What doesn’t make sense is measuring someone else’s decisions through the lens of our own limitations or preferences. Someone buying a car that’s more expensive than yours isn’t a challenge, a competition, or a statement about you. It’s just a person enjoying what they worked for.

And honestly, this behavior isn’t new. Since the beginning of time, people have compared themselves to others. At a car meet a friend said that had social media existed in ancient tribes, someone would’ve posted: look at this guy showing off his fancy new loincloth he must think he is better than us.

Human nature hasn’t changed but we can choose to rise above that instinct. Envy has never made anyone more successful, comparison has never made anyone happier and criticizing what others achieve won’t bring you any closer to achieving it yourself.

Celebrate what you have. Let others celebrate what they have.

I enjoy seeing happy faces of owners of objects I wouldn't spend money on. It makes them happy and, if they want to share it with the rest of us, better yet!
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Yes!
 
CD2 said:
You can't control what individuals post. It's a forum! But what you describe has been the opposite of my experience, especially compared to other audio forums. The overall bias here is heavily toward testable results.

Reviews are the spine of the site, and set the tone. *Anything* gets reviewed! $12 dongles. Little bitty amps. Speakers made out of plastic. Whatever its quirks, this place has the most level playing field I've seen online.
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Indeed. So many other sites are full of so much unconsidered subjective, dribbling goo it’s rather scary.

And there’re those that use ‘gurus’ to do ‘reviews’; entirely without the least measurement.

And with no idea of bias, either conscious or (even less so) the myriad forms of the unconscious type, that they are impossible to read.

Even for a laugh.

At least here there is an obvious and often stated preference for accuracy and engineering experience rather than the slop printed elsewhere.

If you really want to see some dross, take a look at WHF and AVForums. To name but two.
 
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Groove01 said:
Fair question. I can only share my perspective. As I see it, the point of ASR was to inform people so they can make better and more informed decisions, trade offs, etc., as it pertains to audio and audio equipment.

Love it.

What I observe is a lot of this:


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This narrative seems to be pretty prevalent on ASR and a recurring theme. I just don’t see how any of this is useful and it comes off as arrogance/disdain vs objectivity.

Anecdotally, it just seems like new members don’t stick around very long, or become active after their first post (and some older respected members are no longer active). That’s just my opinion/observation for all that’s worth (not much - lol).
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"This narrative seems to be pretty prevalent on ASR and a recurring theme.“
Nothing to do with ASR just as Cars have nothing direct to do with ASR. My point had and still does though. Or else all metaphors would have to use Relevant
parameters of the Given subject, in this case Audio relevant things and thats not how metaphors work imho. Arrogant is someone driving a 500hp car in the city and keeps complaining that bicycles obscure them and honking at them.
The real question is why you feel offended.
To the active vs non active observation, well the virtual world has grown bigger, the information around us is more. Hard to keep track of everything.
Nowadays i literally don`t know all places where i have posted or participated or both. No way to keep up anymore.
That is my observation
 
ErVikingo said:
Well, sure we could all walk or pedal everywhere. I just happen to prefer driving any one of my delightfully ridiculous, overpowered, over‑engineered cars.

Life’s short. I’ll take the silly horsepower, the big amps and speakers.

I read this on the back of a competitor's race car: I like my cars unapologetically loud, beautifully engineered, and meant to be enjoyed, not hidden.

One of mine reads: Oh dear Lady of Blessed Acceleration, don’t fail me now for the road is open, the engine is awake, and temptation is loud.
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I could care less what you do even if you buy a car costing 200000000 made out of diamonds as long as i can have my piece of mind and not exhaust noise without any reason. I would also support it if it did not at the same time mean having people „living their freedom“ and driving under my window with some examples
literally shaking my apartment just to „feel the pedal to the metal for a second. Common. Its just a second ,,,or two..“ and waking me up middle of the night . It is after this point where your having fun means others having an unhealthier life.
Sound Polution is one of the bigger health hazards in cities in case you did not know. So the more we become on this little planet the less we can
afford „oh what the heck, I will do what i want and to hell with the others“ when what we want to do influences the well being of others,
way of thinking.
But feel free to proudly do what you want
 
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Purité Audio said:
Yes because cars are just so good for the planet.
Keith
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Since you i not take the hint the first time that this is the wrong forum for telling folks how to live their lives, I'm going to tell you how I think that you should live yours:
Please set an example and never use anything that uses any form of propulsion other than your own human body's. And farm your own food, while you are at it.
Please do not use any electricity (no computers, cell phones, no audio gear, no manufacturing of solar panels, etc., as that requires power which is "so good for the environment", as you say. Also no using fuels of any type (including burning anything).

If you want to tell others how to live their lives:
I am pretty sure that an Audio (and sometimes video) forum is NOT the place.

Now, may we please get back to audio (and some times video)?
 
DrSpan said:
I could care less what you do even if you buy a car costing 200000000 made out of diamonds as long as i can have my piece of mind and not exhaust noise without any reason. I would also support it if it did not at the same time mean having people „living their freedom“ and driving under my window with some examples
literally shaking my apartment just to „feel the pedal to the metal for a second. Common. Its just a second ,,,or two..“ and waking me up middle of the night . It is after this point where your having fun means others having an unhealthier life.
Sound Polution is one of the bigger health hazards in cities in case you did not know. So the more we become on this little planet the less we can
afford „oh what the heck, I will do what i want and to hell with the others“ when what we want to do influences the well being of others,
way of thinking.
But feel free to proudly do what you want
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Although I agree with you about excess sound pollution, excess light pollution and likely most excess other forms of pollution, it's also not anyone's fault that you live in a city, it's your choice of lifestyle.
And the common sense rule (yes, I know that it [common sense] is not so common these days) that you don't, make it so loud that it goes through their walls or have visible pollution going into others homes from whatever it is that you are doing:
On the other hand, I choose no city and no neighbors for 3/10 of a mile (maybe 1/2 a kilometer?), about 40 miles to the nearest town (it pretty much lets me make as much noise as I want [I get to play my music, as the P.W Klipsch group says "Loud & Proud"] {& I can see the milky way at night due to the lack of light pollution}).
I guess that it all depends on the road you take (one goes to the city and one does not):
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The one I took:
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ended up here (the last home on the power grid and the only home on the peninsula, [so not much worry in the way of me bothering others or them bothering me]):
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Different strokes for different folks.
As an aside, the 1923 chassis (original), with an original 1927 T-truck body, won't make it within 1/2 mile of the house (due to it being somewhat low, it can't handle the 2 tracks that are called a road).
But the 535 HP, 520 Ft. Lbs. of torque 2004 Chevy Silverado with a trailer loaded to 6800 lbs. will do fine.
 
krabapple said:
Hah I never knew that one, or its opposite, argumentum ad crumenam (appeal to wealth). Thanks!

(See, this site's not useless.)
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You're welcome.

Appeal to wealth being a foundation of misdirected audiophilia, of course.
 
Groove01 said:
This is why this site has become less and less useful.
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That's because you are reading the most useless thread. People here are just having a laugh, nothing serious is being discussed, and you're not going to learn anything here. We are allowed to have some fun sometimes. If you want to learn, there are other threads which will blow your mind.
 
CD2 said:
You can't control what individuals post. It's a forum! But what you describe has been the opposite of my experience, especially compared to other audio forums. The overall bias here is heavily toward testable results.

Reviews are the spine of the site, and set the tone. *Anything* gets reviewed! $12 dongles. Little bitty amps. Speakers made out of plastic. Whatever its quirks, this place has the most level playing field I've seen online.
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I tend to agree with your approach! Usually I just browse the "life style" topics to get the feel but don't spend (lose?) much time there.
Recently I came across two articles/reviews that would not survive 3 minutes on ASR. I will not name them because I may be deemed biased or whatever...
One was a "review" of FiiO DM 15 that received the "The best buy award" and what kind of the best buy that is, we now from the review on the ASR.
The other one, was a sad, heart breaking, story of another respected expert, who was kind enough to tell us his story about trying to assemble a proper desktop system. I will not quote all the elements, it would be too time consuming, but among the speakers he tried were Adam D3V and they were: awful, brittle and dynamically inert! We know what the measurements tell us and what is the general consensus about that speaker. To make the long story short(er), Jesus was finally met in the form of Wilson Audio Tune Tot! We also know how they measure, and they are shameful bargain at EUR 12K. The most exciting part - they spent 5 of their 6 year lifespan on the shelf!! More drama than we saw in the 70s or 80s series called the the Dynasty...
The moral of this story is that we do have arguments and hick ups here, but scam and scammers don't last long here.
 
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