Snake Oil Department, Top This

[BeeKay]

 

[Mojo Warrior]

After reading this forum I have come to the conclusion that there is a fairly easy method to spot Snake Oil. If a product is priced many times higher than competing products then there is reason to believe that it is Snake Oil. Examples could be:

Power cables that sell for $50 vs $9000
Speaker Cables that sell for $60 vs $12,000
Power amp that sells for $3500 vs $120,000

 

[DonR]

After reading this forum I have come to the conclusion that there is a fairly easy method to spot Snake Oil. If a product is priced many times higher than competing products then there is reason to believe that it is Snake Oil. Examples could be:

Power cables that sell for $50 vs $9000
Speaker Cables that sell for $60 vs $12,000
Power amp that sells for $3500 vs $120,000

Also, products that do not exist for the mainstream market because they solve a problem that simply does not exist. Cable lifts come to mind.

 

[egellings]

Yup. Cable lifts are a solution looking for a problem to solve and coming up empty while refusing to admit it.

 

[DonR]

Don't know if this has been shown here yet but... enjoy

Available on eBay for $299 each... a bargain.... https://www.ebay.com/itm/294713133777?hash=item449e458ad1:g:A78AAOSwtKhh3Ol2

The "technology" involved: http://audiophile.rocks/technology.html

 

[Spkrdctr]

Easy, I'd say,
Get A Rope
That end's the spread of mis-infrormation, and also makes a small strike to improve the gene pool of earths humans.

Sal, you understand me!

 

[Spkrdctr]

Hi Fi Ethernet switches have been around for a while. “Everything matters” is an audiophile mantra. What I have wanted to know since the first time I read the “explanations” on hi fi cable web sites is do the designers really believe this horse hockey or are they lying. Some of each, I think. If you read MIT cable’s web site and then read their patent applications, you will find them quite different. You go from ‘nodes of articulation” to all pass filters.

In other words THEY LIE! Scumbags.

 

[Spkrdctr]

Don't know if this has been shown here yet but... enjoy

Available on eBay for $299 each... a bargain.... https://www.ebay.com/itm/294713133777?hash=item449e458ad1:g:A78AAOSwtKhh3Ol2

The "technology" involved: http://audiophile.rocks/technology.html

OMG. I looked at the Crystal Development" chart and I swear if you study it you may have a stroke! I can't say what I think about this item as I will get too much push back from the audience. So, lets just say I wouldn't buy it unless I was crazy. A back handed slap!

 

[DonR]

OMG. I looked at the Crystal Development" chart and I swear if you study it you may have a stroke! I can't say what I think about this item as I will get too much push back from the audience. So, lets just say I wouldn't buy it unless I was crazy. A back handed slap!

Genius really. They have been selling these things for more than a decade and keep changing the "formula" so encouraging dupes to buy the latest version. I wonder if there is a thriving secondhand market for these things or does the "effect" wear off in time? i.e. are they perishable?

 

[Killingbeans]

It's definitely one of those kind of products that make me wonder how rich I could be if I didn't have a conscience.

 

[Jon wise]

A $6700 record weight/stabiliser

Reviewed here if you must read a review of a lump of metal

Wow he found it really good though, "In general, and in comparison to the others in house, the T2S Stabilizer gave me more of what I enjoy about the vinyl experience—my soundstage was wider, deeper, imaging was crackerjack, and timbral accuracy uncanny. At first needle drop, the sound seemed fresher, cleaner—scrubbed up—a very musical ablution. More open and detailed but with all the specifics my system synergy brings. Additive".

 

[Ken1951]

Wow he found it really good though, "In general, and in comparison to the others in house, the T2S Stabilizer gave me more of what I enjoy about the vinyl experience—my soundstage was wider, deeper, imaging was crackerjack, and timbral accuracy uncanny. At first needle drop, the sound seemed fresher, cleaner—scrubbed up—a very musical ablution. More open and detailed but with all the specifics my system synergy brings. Additive".

These guys must get the best drugs. Top shelf for sure.

 

[Axo1989]

Yup. Cable lifts are a solution looking for a problem to solve and coming up empty while refusing to admit it.

Cable lifts are for easier vacuuming under the cables, right?

 

[antcollinet]

Almost miraculous how a dumb lump of metal can work out all the "system synergy" it is not allowed to touch and only add openness and detail, scrubbing and cleaning as it goes. And how it can do that so much better than all other dumbass lumps of metal, just because it costs so much more.

 

[egellings]

Vacuuming under cable lifts is just their fringe benny.

 

[Axo1989]

Vacuuming under cable lifts is just their fringe benny.

Or only.

I'm on the lookout for suitable little pink panthers to get the job done.

edit: yeah, I know phase panthers will get me more lift.

 

[Galliardist]

I read as far as "machined out of solid titanium"

WTF is the point of using titanium ( a low density metal - roughly half than that for stainless steel for example) for a record stabiliser which needs as much mass as you can throw at it.

Oh - because titanium sounds like it might be more high tech of course.

I can see the advantage of a light weight clamp, if it actually does the job it's supposed to. I damaged the bearing on my first turntable with a record clamp that was too heavy.

On the other hand, when I looked into this properly, I decided a clamp probably wasn't providing any real sonic benefit anyway. I didn't blind test or anything like that. Flat LPs are the way to go, if I may state the obvious

 

[radix]

Flat LPs are the way to go, if I may state the obvious

FURUTECH - DF-2 LP Disc Flattener​

Only $3100.

LP Flattener DF-2 | FURUTECH

DF-2 FLATTENS PRECIOUS BUT WARPED LPs

www.furutech.com

 

[Galliardist]

FURUTECH - DF-2 LP Disc Flattener​

Only $3100.

LP Flattener DF-2 | FURUTECH

DF-2 FLATTENS PRECIOUS BUT WARPED LPs

www.furutech.com

Well, at least it does something useful if it works... but of course what I should have said, the real point, is

No LPs are the way to go, if I may state the obvious

 

[rdenney]

Almost miraculous how a dumb lump of metal can work out all the "system synergy" it is not allowed to touch and only add openness and detail, scrubbing and cleaning as it goes. And how it can do that so much better than all other dumbass lumps of metal, just because it costs so much more.

And at the same time accomplish all that while absorbing the entirety of the turntable's suspension compliance.

Rick "doesn't want to put car springs in his Thorens" Denney