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Holmz
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FYI: this nitpicky semantics make you look like a young one who wasn't there.
I was doing a bit of assembly back around then.
And I just had to do some again last month.
I know exactly what you mean, and just figured it was a translation nuance, sort of like “they’re, their, and there”.
No offence intended Herr @Ropeburn
Holmz
Major Contributor
FYI: this nitpicky semantics make you look like a young one who wasn't there.
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Do you mean in some other language programming language that gets created as machine code?
Or writing the commands in assembly language itself?
Wow right in the first sentence it says “alternatively Assmber”:
Assembly language - Wikipedia
Remember:
"Assembler" = the machine code and concept
"Assembly" = the legendary demo party
Assembly (demoparty) - Wikipedia
Holmz
Major Contributor
Remember:
"Assembler" = the machine code and concept
"Assembly" = the legendary demo party
Assembly (demoparty) - Wikipedia
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Assembly probably predated raves and techno then.
1992? Lol. Try again.Assembly probably predated raves and techno then.
Holmz
Major Contributor
“ The first assembly code in which a language is used to represent machine code instructions is found in Kathleen and Andrew Donald Booth's 1947 work, Coding for A.R.C..[8] Assembly code is converted into executable machine code by a utility program referred to as an assembler. The term "assembler" is generally attributed to Wilkes, Wheeler and Gill in their 1951 book The Preparation of Programs for an Electronic Digital Computer,[9] who, however, used the term to mean "a program that assembles another program consisting of several sections into a single program".”
“Assembly Language” clearly was there before 1957/1960… and the 1992 “Assembly”
Context matters, so do direct answers, my friend.
Assembly language is any lower level language for a certain CPU.... but with some abstractions build in.Remember:
"Assembler" = the machine code and concept
"Assembly" = the legendary demo party
Assembly (demoparty) - Wikipedia
An assembler turns that in 100% machine readable code.
With the x86 architecture some of us coded machine language directly, and it was called Assembler all the time.
I think "Assembly code" is often use in the context of ARM architecture, whereas back in the day with x86 it seemed to be Assembler.
PS: It wasn't fun to debug x86 "assembler code".
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6502 for me
There are better things to apply to your binding post.
That's the damnest looking tube I ever seen ???
Where do I plug it in?
those tubes... don't let me get FreudianThere are better things to apply to your binding post.
That's the damnest looking tube I ever seen ???
Where do I plug it in?
My assembler experience started with IBM 360 in college, then some CDC/Cray (mostly reading, not writing). Then a bit of x86, but not much...
FWIW we called it 'Assembly Language' too. I'm going back to about 1993. I had to write code to run a washing machine. It sticks in my mind because I was amazed when I got it to work
I don't recall a damn thing about it now.
The first coding I did for a microprocessor was literally written in machine code. On a training box at uni (this would be somewhere between 1980 and 83), we set up the bit pattern for the machine code instruction on toggle switches, then pressed a red button to enter it into memory. If we got one wrong, we had to reset the memory and start again. I believe we entered a "program" to create a traffic light sequence on the LEDs on the box.Do you mean in some other language programming language that gets created as machine code?
Or writing the commands in assembly language itself?
Wow right in the first sentence it says “alternatively Assmber”:
Assembly language - Wikipedia
I also, at that time - when I was reverse engineering the boot loaders of "protected" ZX Spectrum games, worked out the function of undocumented Z80 machine code instructions (which the disassembler I was using didn't recognise) by comparing bit patterns in parts of the undocumented instructions - with those same parts in documented instructions. Call me a nerd, but I enjoyed solving those puzzles more than I enjoyed playing the games after I'd "cracked" them, at least until the boot loaders became too complex to reverse engineer in any sensible amount of time.
Assembler/assembly? - I'm British and have used the words interchangeably to refer to ground-level coding my entire life since. Semantic nit-picking is IMO pointless - we all know what is being said.
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I know, I was there; we were happy calling it assember in 1979, incorrect or not and often just "code" to further save on syllables.
If I had a £ for every time I could've pulled someone up on this site for incorrect words, spelling, grammar and syntax, I'd be able to "come it all big" with my fancy, overpriced, boutique stereo kit.
If I had a £ for every time I could've pulled someone up on this site for incorrect words, spelling, grammar and syntax, I'd be able to "come it all big" with my fancy, overpriced, boutique stereo kit.
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Holmz
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I wasn’t trying to nit pick. I honestly that it was a german translation thing, and had no idea that the same concept used both words.
It is a pain in the tail to do assembly/assembler, and I can see why Baccus and Hopper created the first two compilers.
It is a pain in the tail to do assembly/assembler, and I can see why Baccus and Hopper created the first two compilers.
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