Roland68
Major Contributor
Or just a deliberate retouching to disguise what it really is.
It would be stupid if they didn't try...
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It would be stupid if they didn't try...
Galliardist
Major Contributor
F85 high-end fullrange loudspeakers
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www.ubsound.com
Here's the manufacturer's website.
If that speaker meets the specs they give it will sell like wildfire at any price to the fullrange driver crowd. I guess we wait for independent measurements. It's quite a claim.
I'm sure the driver has been misidentified here, though. I think we can move on for now.
Roland68
Major Contributor
It is not a claim, but a guess.F85 high-end fullrange loudspeakers
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Here's the manufacturer's website.
If that speaker meets the specs they give it will sell like wildfire at any price to the fullrange driver crowd. I guess we wait for independent measurements. It's quite a claim.
I'm sure the driver has been misidentified here, though. I think we can move on for now.
The drivers in the other speakers are also very easy to identify, in my opinion. From the front, the drivers look absolutely identical, but have a different basket and magnet, so it's just a coincidence.
But as I said, maybe it's all just a big coincidence, like the DIY construction proposal from 2016 with the Monacor SPX-200 WP, which deviates by a full 0.1 liters in volume, i.e. significantly less than 1%.
We'll probably never know the truth...
Galliardist
Major Contributor
To clarify, the claim I am referring to there is that in their specification, not the driver identification.
Talking about cable nonsense, I spotted this on Ebay today, as part of a description for a pair of used horn speakers:
2010:
Pair of 5 metre Pure Silver Speaker Cable Looms, custom made for these speakers (Cost £5200!)
I had almost identical speakers and found that my (much less costly) solid silver cables somewhat unsatisfactory, so I moved to Duelund tinned copper ones at a fraction the price!
Slam dunk of snake oil with this sentence:
UBSound F85: Floorstanding speaker with one full-range driver
UBSound, an Italian loudspeaker manufacturer, has introduced the F85, a hand-built floorstanding speaker. The F85 stands out due to its fullrange driver
www.stereocheck.com
Only 30 grand per pair? I'll get a couple pair for the kids!Slam dunk of snake oil with this sentence:
UBSound F85: Floorstanding speaker with one full-range driver
UBSound, an Italian loudspeaker manufacturer, has introduced the F85, a hand-built floorstanding speaker. The F85 stands out due to its fullrange driver
antcollinet
Grand Contributor
To be fair - practically all speaker manufacturers are claiming burn in time.Slam dunk of snake oil with this sentence:
UBSound F85: Floorstanding speaker with one full-range driver
UBSound, an Italian loudspeaker manufacturer, has introduced the F85, a hand-built floorstanding speaker. The F85 stands out due to its fullrange driver
I could see where in a new speaker, suspension components may become a bit more flexible with early use, and sound quality might change as a result of that. That sort of change should occur over a very short time interval, though. It's possible that the sonic changes might be too small to notice, too.
Roland68
Major Contributor
The burn-in time would have to be over 2 weeks so that the speaker cannot be returned in the EU...
....But they are clever enough to only build the speaker individually to order, which is why there is no return option. However, it is forbidden to circumvent the Consumer Protection Act in this way.
The drivers are designed such that the suspension components don't get more flexible over time. I think it's our brains that are slowly adapting to the sound. But still this makes more sense than speaker cable run in periods I see in some ads.
antcollinet
Grand Contributor
Oh I agree. I know from personal experience that ear/hearing adaptation as a result of listening for changes is *way* more significant than any (inaudible) change to the speakers.
I know what you mean. I'm sure my wife's voice has not changed over the years but she claims I hear less and less of what she's saying.
It would help to pay a bit more attention too, I 'spoze.
The size of the magnet is about twice that of the treble horn in both cases, and the relative size of the treble horn with respect to the cone is the same. The angle of the perspective is different, in one case it is wider, probably because of a closer shot. This, and the fact that the glossy surround increase the diameter, makes the magnet look smaller in comparison. In the case of the modified driver, the main symmetry axis of the driver makes a smaller angle with the camera's plane, hence the apparent bigger depth. Also, the frame has been clearly edited in post processing, to hide the "pro" shape of the folded metal. Or maybe they put some putty on it.
To me it is clearly the same driver.
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F85 high-end fullrange loudspeakers
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Here's the manufacturer's website.
If that speaker meets the specs they give it will sell like wildfire at any price to the fullrange driver crowd. I guess we wait for independent measurements. It's quite a claim.
I'm sure the driver has been misidentified here, though. I think we can move on for now.
I am quite sure the driver has not been misidentified. Read my reply to @ta240: https://audiosciencereview.com/foru...ke-oil-department-top-this.19045/post-2043746
Slam dunk of snake oil with this sentence:
UBSound F85: Floorstanding speaker with one full-range driver
UBSound, an Italian loudspeaker manufacturer, has introduced the F85, a hand-built floorstanding speaker. The F85 stands out due to its fullrange driver
"We may have created the best full-range speaker of all time, aimed at competent audiophiles who appreciate beauty. The F85 is truly Made in Italy, offering maximum expression of naturalness of sound, without electro-acoustic obstacles, with a direct path from amplifier to driver. All characteristics that we like to describe as a simple passion for perfect sound and true Italian class.”
Oh, my!
Interesting! Could you link such an article? Or it is only print? I looked at their website some but did not find anything measured. Grazie!
Mechanical "burn in" is an obvious matter, but it takes little time. 150 hours is exaggerated, but audiophiles are attracted to stuff that requires A LOT of burn-in time. If you claim 300 hours, then you must of course price the speaker even higher.