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SMSL SU-X with 2x ES9039MSPRO

Hi Smarty,
What preamplifier do you use with your SU-X?
I'd like to use this DAC with my floor-standing speakers and home amplifier (Anthem Statement P-5 multi-channel) and I don't know whether I need a preamplifier or not. Is it necessary to use a preamplifier in my situation and set the SU-X volume to FIX or can I use the SU-X with my system and just use the DAC volume?
If all your sources are digital you can use it as your very low noise and distortion preamp. If you have a sources that output analog, no.
I tried my dac today as a preamp into an integrated amp. Set gain on integrated to unity and ran balanced output of dac to sub, rca into integrated.
Definitely tighter bass response. More extension too. But when the integrated was turned off the sub kept playing. Had to mute the dac.
After five hours decided the added extension on bottom was scary, too much really low output. Think the integrated amplifier sub out may have built in sub sonic filter.
Hooked it back to where dac is a source playing into an integrated amp and the sub out from amp is driving the sub.
 
If all your sources are digital you can use it as your very low noise and distortion preamp. If you have a sources that output analog, no.
I tried my dac today as a preamp into an integrated amp. Set gain on integrated to unity and ran balanced output of dac to sub, rca into integrated.
Definitely tighter bass response. More extension too. But when the integrated was turned off the sub kept playing. Had to mute the dac.
After five hours decided the added extension on bottom was scary, too much really low output. Think the integrated amplifier sub out may have built in sub sonic filter.
Hooked it back to where dac is a source playing into an integrated amp and the sub out from amp is driving the sub.
I use a Mac Mini as the source only and no other sources. Hopefully it’ll work
 
Rather amusing and very honest review of the smsl su-x below, the reviewer is known for accurate no audiophile bullshit nonsense reviews using level matching etc etc. He often quotes ASR/Amir in his reviews as being one of the few websites with a very thorough testing process

 
I've had one piece this for two days now, and I'm more than satisfied. For me "definitely SU-X is not sux . :D
 
Rather amusing and very honest review of the smsl su-x below, the reviewer is known for accurate no audiophile bullshit nonsense reviews using level matching etc etc. He often quotes ASR/Amir in his reviews as being one of the few websites with a very thorough testing process

Vow this reviewer seem really honest, or is he working for someone?
Just showing that screen, made me considering this dac
Anyway this Sux seem really beautiful and built like a tank. I'm considering this or the Su10, what would you recommend in terms of built quality, looks, and reliability. I was also considering Topping D900, but really how can someone be so stupid to not include Rca out in a dac?
What do they want to tell, that unbalanced audio is not good enough?
 
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Question. Does anyone have firmware 2.11 available for uploading to SMSL SU-X? Some newly sold units have it, but the manufacturer's website only lists version 2.1. It is not clear how the firmware differs.
 
My own SU-X, basic measurement,all worked fine, with the latest firmware v 2.1, for me the near-perfect, limiting is my piece E1DA Cosmos ADC = old version without ISO grade B.
 

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HI! Got my first MQA CD. Please tell should SU-X show MQA icon when playing mqa? Player smsl pl200t is connected via I2s
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It could be that the CD player is decoding the MQA, which I understand it is able to do.

What bit rate and depth is displayed on the DAC?
 
Bitrate is 88.2 but I don't know how to check depth on SU-X
Redbook CD is only 44.1 so something is happening to get to 88.2.

Google AI tells me the below which suggests that at least some MQA bullshit, I mean magic, is happening on the player.

The DAC should then "render" the "unfolded" data but the SMSL specs state that this is only supported on the optical, coax, or AES inputs of the SU-X


Google AI search result for "88.2 khz MQA"
An 88.2kHz MQA file typically represents a first-level "unfold" of a 44.1kHz MQA file, increasing the audio data from CD-quality to a higher resolution, and can be displayed by an MQA-capable device or software. This 88.2kHz output is the result of MQA's "Music Origami" compression, not traditional upsampling, and provides a higher quality experience than a standard 44.1kHz file. Further unfolding to even higher sample rates is possible with a full MQA renderer DAC.
What happens when you get an 88.2kHz MQA file:
First Unfold: When you encounter a file labeled as 88.2kHz or 96kHz MQA, it means that the first stage of MQA unfolding has occurred, "unfolding" the encoded data from its compressed 44.1kHz state.
More Data than CD-Quality: This process reveals higher-resolution information that was initially folded below the audible band in the compressed 44.1kHz file.
Less Than the Original Master: While it provides a better listening experience than 44.1kHz, the final 88.2kHz (or 96kHz) playback is not the same as the original high-resolution master file because some information was lossily compressed during the encoding process.
How it works:
Music Origami: MQA uses a proprietary process called "Music Origami" to fold high-frequency information into a 44.1kHz stream, making it efficient to stream or download.
Decoding & Rendering:
Software (Core Decoder): Your streaming app or software (like TIDAL or Roon) performs the first unfold, outputting an 88.2kHz or 96kHz file to your DAC.
MQA DAC (Renderer): An MQA-aware DAC can then perform the "rendering" (second unfold) to recover more of the original high-resolution information, upsampling the audio to the sample rate of the original master.
In summary: An 88.2kHz MQA file represents a higher-fidelity version of an MQA-encoded song, offering better quality than CD-standard files and allowing for further decoding on MQA-compatible
hardware.
 
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In summary: An 88.2kHz MQA file represents a higher-fidelity version of an MQA-encoded song, offering better quality than CD-standard files and
Quite clear, but not enough:) I just want to ensure that I'm getting all from MQA. Because I heard on youtube that mqa cd player can transfer mqa to non mqa dac and there can be some cd just with higher bitrate
 
Quite clear, but not enough:) I just want to ensure that I'm getting all from MQA. Because I heard on youtube that mqa cd player can transfer mqa to non mqa dac and there can be some cd just with higher bitrate
Try connecting the DAC with optical, coax, or AES and see if it activates the MQA rendering.
 
So does anyone experience power cycling and other bugs after updating to the newest firmware?
 
Good afternoon.The manufacturer of the DAC does not supply bypass capacities for the power supply of opa1612 output operational amplifiers.There are places for them.After installing the c0805 1uf, the measurements got better. It has not changed at 1 kHz.At 10 kHz, thdn decreased from 0.00015 to 0.00007.
 
My own SU-X, basic measurement,all worked fine, with the latest firmware v 2.1, for me the near-perfect, limiting is my piece E1DA Cosmos ADC = old version without ISO grade B.
If tests are carried out with installed capacitors, the number and amplitude of RF harmonics should decrease.
 
Good afternoon.The manufacturer of the DAC does not supply bypass capacities for the power supply of opa1612 output operational amplifiers.There are places for them.After installing the c0805 1uf, the measurements got better. It has not changed at 1 kHz.At 10 kHz, thdn decreased from 0.00015 to 0.00007.

This is nice on paper. But the first harmonic (H2) of a 10kHz signal is 20kHz, where the human hear already has a significant attenuation even in very young people. Of course, in the quest for perfection, they could have placed this bypass capacitor, but it would probably not have made any difference in a weighed measurement.
 
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