All THX based amps are well protected.@SHENZHENAUDIO I almost don't dare to ask the question... it has output relays... is it DC protected ?
All THX based amps are well protected.@SHENZHENAUDIO I almost don't dare to ask the question... it has output relays... is it DC protected ?
Not trying to knock on Gustard but there's no way to toggle between preamp and headphone out. Ouch.What about Gustard H16? Ticks all the boxes and feels more solid. Despite being cheaper.
I don't recall a toggle on SP400.Not trying to knock on Gustard but there's no way to toggle between preamp and headphone out. Ouch.
Left vertical axis is for the red line that represents the output level, where 0 dB means the max. volume knob (max. output voltage).
The 24 sec. from the bottom horizontal line represents the time took for Amir to lower the output power from 0 dB to -80 dB.
Right vertical axis is for the blue line that represents the deviation in dB from the absolute 0 dB, where 0 dB means the difference between the left/right channels. Basically, the blue line should remain within the +/-0.5 dB to be on the safe side, but on SP400 this is pure 0 dB due to the relay volume adjustment, which translates to "perfection".
Thank you both for the kind explanation!
600ohms headphones (beyerdynamic dt 880 600ohms) some magnetic planar headphones. More power means headroom,and its always a good thing. Sometimes you need a couple of watts at relatively low impedence.Noted but is that subjective or objective?
Of course no issues with having more power headroom but my point was: is there are headphone that objectively needs more power that SH-9 delivers
Sometimes I got confused about this.600ohms headphones (beyerdynamic dt 880 600ohms) some magnetic planar headphones. More power means headroom,and its always a good thing. Sometimes you need a couple of watts at relatively low impedence.
Could you just switch the power amps off if you wanted to use headphones instead of speakers?Not trying to knock on Gustard but there's no way to toggle between preamp and headphone out. Ouch.
You can, but it's not very convenient, and the headphone is still singing.Could you just switch the power amps off if you wanted to use headphones instead of speakers?
Would these problems be avoided with the Gustard if I unplugged the headphones whilst listening to speakers, and switched off the power amplifiers whilst listening to headphones? Is that the extent of the inconvenience or is there still a technical issue with impedance that I should be aware of?You can, but it's not very convenient, and the headphone is still singing.
It will be even worse if the headphone output is directly connecting to the line outputs, the overall load impedance will be twisted.
If you do so, there are no more problems at all.Would these problems be avoided with the Gustard if I unplugged the headphones whilst listening to speakers, and switched off the power amplifiers whilst listening to headphones? Is that the extent of the inconvenience or is there still a technical issue with impedance that I should be aware of?
More power means headroom,and its always a good thing.
Sometimes I got confused about this.
Say if I have a 4W amp and use HE6 or some 600ohms phones, it got way too loud in max output, so I turned the volume knob down which attenuates the whole 4W output into whatever wattage (say 1W?), so in my understanding the max allowed swing won't go back to remotely near 4W when the knob was kept at that position, and if so, why and where is the extra headroom??
Once you get past the one hundred or possibly one hundred and fifty USD price point, other factors have to come in to play. Mostly features, warranty with build quality, and can I get it easily serviced/replaced if something goes wrong? If it lasts a year or two, a $100 device is almost throw-away in those sorts of situations. Six times that price, other, non-technical aspects become important. An in country distributor willing to provide support becomes necessary, in my view. Someone you can call on the phone and quickly interact with.Great stuff, but doesn’t that seems a bit pricy?
Pricy to whom? If I am a headphone person, with a number of different ones, and willing to spend thousands on them, no, not that pricy. If I use $20 headphones and iems, then yes, very pricy. Cost and Value are individual decisions and my answer will not be your answerGreat stuff, but doesn’t that seems a bit pricy? I own the massdrop 789, happy with it, honestly I do not need anything else, but if I recall rigght it was half this price? I didn’t go with torough with all the metrics, but same ballpark right? does that offers a significant upgrade? OK I see the stepped volume, personally I don’t hear channel imbalance on the 789, Am I right to think this would sound the same? Also out of curiosity? what is this brightness setting from the top picture, do we have tone control?
Sure in the grand scheme of things it's not excessive, as you said me, personally, I , find the diminishing return curve quite steep in comparison to the basic 789, which is also really really good at half the price, I do not think they are apples to oranges, same topologies and licensing approach, similar power and performance difference into inaudible territory and not a winner on all metrics. Sure it offers a couple perks like the remote. In my views, and yes it's only me feeling that way, a remote when your head is physically attached to the amplifier is not something I have use for, and a wosrst case scenario 0.2 dB Channel imbalance is not something I can hear, maybe for some it matters. I actually prefer the immediacy of a volume pot, If it's a good one. That said, yes of course this pricing is not into boutique manufacturers, luxury acquisitions territory.Pricy to whom? If I am a headphone person, with a number of different ones, and willing to spend thousands on them, no, not that pricy. If I use $20 headphones and iems, then yes, very pricy. Cost and Value are individual decisions and my answer will not be your answer
Agree I own one as well. This device—twice as expensive—adds itching but more power. It is a marketing exercise to improve revenue and profits. Display screen , etc just audio jewelry.Thanks for measurements. Previous model SP200 is still an impressive device, especially for price
Yes cost and value subjective; not measurements and sound qualities. In all this there is a technical scientific component to consider. Because you pay more does not mean you get more value.Pricy to whom? If I am a headphone person, with a number of different ones, and willing to spend thousands on them, no, not that pricy. If I use $20 headphones and iems, then yes, very pricy. Cost and Value are individual decisions and my answer will not be your answer
Hi ASR, looking forward to your review of the Drop Ether CX flow, I have them tooThis is a review and detailed measurements of the SMSL SP400 balanced THX headphone amplifier. It was kindly sent to me by one of their dealers, shenzhenaudio. It costs US $630 from them.
The SP400 makes an attempt at luxury with glossy plexiglass top and digital display:
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As you see, there are no controls on SP400. Everything is menu driven including input selection and gain. If you use multiple headphones with different gain requirements, having to switch that using the menu can be a bit of a hassle. Fortunately there is a mitigating factor as you will see in the measurements.
One main distinguishing feature is that there is remote control and relay based R2R implementation. This should assure very good channel balance -- something that we will check later. It costs a lot to implement this feature though and that is reflected in the cost.
Forgot the picture of the back:
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SMSL SP400 Measurements
As usual with balanced input amps, let's feed the SP400 4 volts over its XLR input and ask for the same output over 1/4 HP jack:
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Distortion is stunningly low at nearly -140 dB so noise dominates our SINAD to the tune of 120:
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Please don't sweat one or two dB in this graph. That said, signal to noise ratio for low 50 mv output is a bit lower than it should be:
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Frequency response is of course rule flat to beyond 100 kHz:
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Measuring power into 300 ohm load shows that the different gain settings have almost no performance difference other than available amount of power:
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Some other amps that get the best signal to noise ratio (and SINAD) tend to have a low gain mode with better performance. Here, the three modes are almost the same so I would just use the highest gain setting and be done with it. It is not like it impacts the channel balance as you will see later.
Note that the first generation Massdrop THX 789 is bested in noise department.
Using balanced headphone jack we naturally get more power:
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You have nearly 700 milliwatts which power just about any high impedance headphone.
Switching to 32 ohm load we get similar picture:
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For consistency with previous tests, here is balanced not at 32 ohm but 50:
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We basically have a speaker amplifier with 4 watts of power with both channels driven.
Using our latest test to check for load dependency we get:
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As you see, the amp does not care if the load is changed. It is happy to even drive 12 ohm load. To get the power at any of the tested impedances, simply follow the formula power=voltage * voltage/impedance.
Switching to balanced mode we of course get more power and some small signs of strain appear:
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Max output is now at 14.4 volts but gets reduced below 32 ohm. At 6 volts there is finally some clipping.
Note that because there is no clipping elsewhere, the SP400 is "gain limited" meaning it could have been pushed harder. But decision was made to give you absolutely clean and transparent power to max volume.
Finally here, is our channel balance demonstrating the value of the R2R volume control:
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SMSL SP400 Listening Tests
As usual I started my testing with Drop Ether CX low impedance headphone. The SP400 was cruising, driving this headphone with ease to incredibly high levels, causing neuron displacement in one's brain if you are not careful! There was no hint of distortion and extremely clean bass to treble response. Switching to Sennheiser HD650 had similar results with exceptional fidelity.
I did hit a usability issue though that is common with R2R volume controls: they are slow to respond. You have to crank and crank the volume control to go from loud to average level. Wish they would add some kind of acceleration to the volume control and jump a bunch of steps when you rotate it fast.
Conclusions
We another state-of-the-art headphone amplifier in the form of SP-400 with some differentiation in the form of R2R volume control which also gives you volume control should you want to use it as pre-amp in far-field listening. More choices in instrument grade headphone amplifiers with superb fidelity and seemingly infinite power availability.
I am happy to put the SMSL SP400 on my recommended list.
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Relay based volume control is not an audio jewellery; same I can say about having more power (some folks really needs that added power for their power hungry cans).Agree I own one as well. This device—twice as expensive—adds itching but more power. It is a marketing exercise to improve revenue and profits. Display screen , etc just audio jewelry.
Sure, will test them at some point.Hi ASR, looking forward to your review of the Drop Ether CX flow, I have them too