Not in this case, you have more control of the sub with crossover frequency, phase alignment and high pass filters on the WiiM. Connect SVS to sub out, G3 to stereo RCA. Above it was suggested to better use XLR balanced to RCA proper cable.
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Yer shame Wiim has no balanced outputs oh well 85hz work well in your case?
Actually I have no subwoofer at home (too many neighbors and walls are not very isolating…
Both StaticV3 and AnalogSteph mentioned the common mode rejection of XLR inputs even when connected to RCA if the cable is made in appropriate way.
I made a little search on the internet yesterday and found that can reach 30 dB of CMRR with RCA to XLR 3 pin cables. Also G3 have grounded mains connectors which appropriate power strip will avoid ground loops. I have mines and WiiM or Focusrite connected to same strip. They sound ok to my ears.
Genelec’s subs are hi passed at 85 Hz so I suppose is a good crossover frequency to their speakers, but you can choose the cut on your WiiM if using the sub output depending on your room response
You have been most helpful mate thankyou!
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I have the sub and the 8030Cs running out of my MiniDSP Flex. This allows me to manage all output signals independently, which was important for my setup. I am not familiar with the Whim Ultra however if this allows for independent processing then that sounds like a good start. The SVS has some good configuration options which you can tune using the remote app (which is awesome) as long as you are able to isolate the sub feed. Here is a link to the approach I have taken:
https://www.minidsp.com/applications/subwoofer-tuning/sub-integration-dirac
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Hello,
I've finally ordered Genelec G3 and waiting for arrival. I've also ordered miniDSP Flex. I just thought that it's better than getting cheaper DAC without features miniDSP have (active crossover, Dirac Live) and end up selling and upgrading.
However I made a mistake of ordering Flex Balanced version, thinking that it might make Genelec speakers less susceptible to unwanted noise. I didn't order TRS to RCA cables needed for the RCA input only subwoofer, thinking that I could find something similar locally.
I can find TS to RCA cable, and TRS to dual RCA cable locally, but does they work the same as the cable miniDSP recommends?
What are the consequences of using such cables? Do they just slightly increase distortion/noise compared to the cable miniDSP recommends?
Since the conversion cable is only for subwoofer the increased noise may not be audible even if it's there. But I'm still curious.
Canare QC018 (6.3mm TS to RCA cable)
Hosa YPR-102 (6.3mm TRS to dual RCA female cable)
Hosa CMR-206 (6.3mm TRS to dual RCA male cable)
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Could Hosa YPR-102 or Hosa CMR-206 be used without detrimental effect on the audio quality? In the second article, miniDSP suggests using the only one side of TRS to dual RCA cable (without mentioning anything about the audio quality). No mention on TS to RCA cables.
I've finally ordered Genelec G3 and waiting for arrival. I've also ordered miniDSP Flex. I just thought that it's better than getting cheaper DAC without features miniDSP have (active crossover, Dirac Live) and end up selling and upgrading.
However I made a mistake of ordering Flex Balanced version, thinking that it might make Genelec speakers less susceptible to unwanted noise. I didn't order TRS to RCA cables needed for the RCA input only subwoofer, thinking that I could find something similar locally.
I can find TS to RCA cable, and TRS to dual RCA cable locally, but does they work the same as the cable miniDSP recommends?
What are the consequences of using such cables? Do they just slightly increase distortion/noise compared to the cable miniDSP recommends?
Since the conversion cable is only for subwoofer the increased noise may not be audible even if it's there. But I'm still curious.
Canare QC018 (6.3mm TS to RCA cable)
Hosa YPR-102 (6.3mm TRS to dual RCA female cable)
Hosa CMR-206 (6.3mm TRS to dual RCA male cable)
Flex Balanced connectivity: Which TRS to RCA cable should I use?
The Flex balanced is balanced in/out. If you'd like to use an unbalanced amplifier (e.g. Powered subwoofer) downstream of the Flex series, here is the recommended TRS to RCA cable to minimize detrimental effect on the audio quality. Note how...
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I'm using a TRS to RCA stereo cable and not getting any signal on my subwoofer. Why is that?
You've received your Flex TRS unit and you're excited to connect it up to your system for a 2.1 setup. You didn't purchase miniDSP's TRS cable but instead used that TRS to RCA stereo cable. It's most likely looking like this. You connect e...
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Could Hosa YPR-102 or Hosa CMR-206 be used without detrimental effect on the audio quality? In the second article, miniDSP suggests using the only one side of TRS to dual RCA cable (without mentioning anything about the audio quality). No mention on TS to RCA cables.
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The kh80 dsp are very able, all you need are xlr to rca cables.What speakers do you recommend for use with desktop computer? Currently I'm considering a pair of Genelec 8030C.
I have been using KEF LSX II LT speakers until recently. However I stopped using them because I found a problem in its subwoofer output and sent to the KEF's service center in Japan. KEF support is unfortunatelly awful, they didn't seem to understand what the problems were, and they simply returned the speakers to me without my permission because they couldn't find any problem with their standard testing procedure. I refused to receive the speakers. They agreed to inspect the speakers again and try to identity the problem, but I'm not sure if I should trust them.
Weird subwoofer volume issue on KEF LSX II LT for stereo/mono bass signals. What's happening?
As you can see from the attached graphs, switching to L+R from L only changes main speakers' measured SPL but not subwoofer's on REW measurements. The subwoofer is SVS 3000 Micro, connected to my KEF LSX II LT via its subtout. I don't think this behavior is normal. Denon AVR-X3800H, which is...
So I started thinking of ditching those KEF active speakers and buying something better.
I'm using KRK GoAux 4 as a temporary replacement, with SVS 3000 Micro crossover. I don't have strange volume issue with SVS's crossover (which I had with KEF's crossover).
I also considered passive speakers, though many of them look much bigger than LSX II LT, and smaller ones often doesn't have spinorama measurements. Or not available in Japan and expensive to import.
One of the speakers often recommended here is Genelec 8030C. It's not that big compared to LSX II LT and measures well on amir's review.
But I don't know if I could use the speakers in the same way as KRK GoAux 4. 8030C has only sensitivity adjustment (no volume control), lacks RCA inputs. Can I simply continue using SVS 3000 Micro's crossover with RCA-XLR cable, or do I also need to buy miniDSP for subwoofer integration?
Are there any downsides of 8030C which I'm not aware of?
I probably won't buy anything more expensive than 8030C.
The minidsp can help you also to do room correction.
You already have svs which has peq so that helps but dirac is very nice to have.
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That's a nope. Having half the output stage shorted is generally a bad idea unless it specifically supports this (i.e. floating / transformer output).
That should work if you have a spare RCA cable to combine it with. Remember, just one! (And use the other one if you need to flip signal polarity.)
Unless I'm blind that's a 3.5 mm TRS. Would work with an adapter to 6.3 mm. Remember, just one RCA.
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Sorry I linked to a wrong one. This one uses 6.3mm TRS plug and dual RCA male plugs.
Thanks. So as long as I only use one of 2 RCA cables, it'll work without noise issues?
I still don't understand this part from miniDSP website. I hope that the shield of the cable does not matter much.
As for disconnecting a pin of a balanced cable(rather than shorting to GND), I've found a post recommending the same in another thread: https://audiosciencereview.com/foru...balanced-rca-convertor-box.49359/post-1767831
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Since I already have a mono RCA cable to connect to a subwoofer I'll just get Hosa YPR-102 (6.3mm TRS to dual RCA female cable) and use the one side only.
I’m a little lost at this point: why did you want RCA to TRS cables?Hello,
I've finally ordered Genelec G3 and waiting for arrival. I've also ordered miniDSP Flex. I just thought that it's better than getting cheaper DAC without features miniDSP have (active crossover, Dirac Live) and end up selling and upgrading.
However I made a mistake of ordering Flex Balanced version, thinking that it might make Genelec speakers less susceptible to unwanted noise. I didn't order TRS to RCA cables needed for the RCA input only subwoofer, thinking that I could find something similar locally.
I can find TS to RCA cable, and TRS to dual RCA cable locally, but does they work the same as the cable miniDSP recommends?
What are the consequences of using such cables? Do they just slightly increase distortion/noise compared to the cable miniDSP recommends?
Since the conversion cable is only for subwoofer the increased noise may not be audible even if it's there. But I'm still curious.
Canare QC018 (6.3mm TS to RCA cable)
Hosa YPR-102 (6.3mm TRS to dual RCA female cable)
Hosa CMR-206 (6.3mm TRS to dual RCA male cable)
Flex Balanced connectivity: Which TRS to RCA cable should I use?
The Flex balanced is balanced in/out. If you'd like to use an unbalanced amplifier (e.g. Powered subwoofer) downstream of the Flex series, here is the recommended TRS to RCA cable to minimize detrimental effect on the audio quality. Note how...I'm using a TRS to RCA stereo cable and not getting any signal on my subwoofer. Why is that?
You've received your Flex TRS unit and you're excited to connect it up to your system for a 2.1 setup. You didn't purchase miniDSP's TRS cable but instead used that TRS to RCA stereo cable. It's most likely looking like this. You connect e...
Could Hosa YPR-102 or Hosa CMR-206 be used without detrimental effect on the audio quality? In the second article, miniDSP suggests using the only one side of TRS to dual RCA cable (without mentioning anything about the audio quality). No mention on TS to RCA cables.
Remember that the G3 have XLR balanced inputs apart from RCA ones.
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I'm planning to connect miniDSP Flex Balanced to
* Genelec G Three, via a pair of TRS to XLR cable
* SVS 3000 Micro subwoofer, via a TRS to RCA cable
So I need a TRS to RCA cable for the subwoofer.
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It might have been better to unbalanced Flex instead since Genelec G3 has both RCA and XLR. But if I replace G3 with speakers with only XLR input in the future, I may end up tackling with RCA to XLR conversion problem instead...
I would make the same choice in your place, balanced output to unbalanced input works well if you go with RCA speakers in the future, the opposite would be more problematic
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Are you recommending Flex unbalanced over balanced? I'm confused. Is RCA to XLR conversion much easier?
Excuse me, I’m saying the opposite: outputs of balanced flex will work well with an unbalanced input. Now you don’t need that because you have balanced inputs on the G3…
But in the future you can use either balanced or unbalanced monitors or amps since you have the flex outputs TRS.
The opposite works worse: having an unbalanced flex dsp, connection to balanced amps will be less optimal
I finally returned yesterday the G Three, despite the advantages of direct connection is not as flat and smooth as 8030C
My system measurements are not accurate because I’m using the iPhone’s mic, but they reflect more or less what is measured on Genelec’s website:
This was the 8030C, ruler flat.
And the G3; the mids are elevated and not as linear as 8030 (Genelec website tell 2,5 dB versus 2 dB from one to the other, but my measurements showed way more, amplified by reflections?).
By the dates, It seems that Genelec are using drivers of the 8030A or other ancient models with the 8030C class D amplifier.
You have shown a 3 pin correct cable RCA to XLR with some CMRR, can you recommend a dealer? I would prefer a direct connection with the WiiM and not using my balanced DAC if possible…
POST EDITING: And here’s the confirmation, nothing strange because Genelec G Three is older than 8030, but I would more transparency from Genelec about what we’re buying:
Is not night and day, but they have made some minor improvements on the drivers…
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Balanced is the one to get for those reasons.
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Isn't that the one from older "G Three (A)", which was in production between 2013 and 2017? The date in the top right corner says the response was measured in 2012.
Maybe Genelec is just not correctly pointing to the correct operating manual of "G Three (B)", which was released in 2017 on their website?
G Three - Genelec.com
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The one I downloaded from Japanese Genelec website looks like a correct one, the date in the top right corner says the response was measured in 2017.
G Three - ジェネレックジャパン
G Threeは、世界中の音楽や映画界のプロフェショナル達がGenelecを選ぶ理由となった高精度なディテイルをお届けします。そのクオリティを、ご自宅でも味わってみませんか？
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I've already got G Three and miniDSP Flex Balanced, here are my REW measurements without any PEQ correction. miniDSP UMIK-1 microphone should be more accuracurate compared to the one on iPhone.
Note that bumps at 70, 140, 650, 1500Hz could be from port speaker placement, room modes, SBIR, or desk reflections as those bumps are present in other speakers measurement in the same room.
And KRK GoAux4 measurement for comparison (I took those measurements last month, so the air temperature/microphone position/speaker position not 100% the same)
Overlayed GoAux4 and G Three graphs:
Note that bumps at 70, 140, 650, 1500Hz could be from port speaker placement, room modes, SBIR, or desk reflections as those bumps are present in other speakers measurement in the same room.
And KRK GoAux4 measurement for comparison (I took those measurements last month, so the air temperature/microphone position/speaker position not 100% the same)
Overlayed GoAux4 and G Three graphs:
Yes, I think you’re right. After reading my own post I has some doubt and connect it to my audio interface by XLR: it sounded way better.Isn't that the one from older "G Three (A)", which was in production between 2013 and 2017? The date in the top right corner says the response was measured in 2012.
Maybe Genelec is just not correctly pointing to the correct operating manual of "G Three (B)", which was released in 2017 on their website?
G Three - Genelec.com
The one I downloaded from Japanese Genelec Website looks correct one, the date in the top right corner says the response was measured in 2017.
G Three - ジェネレックジャパン
G Threeは、世界中の音楽や映画界のプロフェショナル達がGenelecを選ぶ理由となった高精度なディテイルをお届けします。そのクオリティを、ご自宅でも味わってみませんか？
I guess the RCA connection may have some flaws, or the preamp section of the WiiM is not so clean as it should be.
If you have a balanced DAC, you will surprise how it improves the sound. Mine is not expensive (Focusrite Scarlett 2i2 4th gen) and there’s a nice Topping D50 of relatively cheap price with XLR outputs
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