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I recently bought a wbc cable for a subwoofer to pass the signal from my fiio m17 to the dac via coaxial signal, I chose the cable because it was the only one available in 15 feet, everything was fine with most songs until I wanted to play some tracks with 24bit 192 khz which did not work, it just did not sound, I did the test with another cable but this time a shorter one from the same brand but specified for coaxial and it worked normally, the question is, why could the subwoofer cable not transmit this high resolution signal? Should I start to question that the right cable could pass more information and therefore sound better?
 
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I recently bought a wbc cable for a subwoofer to pass the signal from my fiio m17 to the dac via optical signal, I chose the cable because it was the only one available in 15 feet, everything was fine with most songs until I wanted to play some tracks with 24bit 192 khz which did not work, it just did not sound, I did the test with another cable but this time a shorter one from the same brand but specified for optical and it worked normally, the question is, why could the subwoofer cable not transmit this high resolution signal? Should I start to question that the right cable could pass more information and therefore sound better?
Hello and welcome to ASR.

Optical only officially supports up to 96/24. Quite a lot of the time with the right transmitter, receiver and cable you can get 192, but it's never guaranteed.
 
You MIGHT have better luck with a cable that specifically sold as "digital" or one that's sold for video.
 
I'm not sure I'm following you but here's a link to a 15 foot optical cable. Does WBC even make optical ?

Amazon
 
I'm not sure I'm following you but here's a link to a 15 foot optical cable. Does WBC even make optical ?

Amazon
The OP post is not that clear, but it sounds like he may have been using a standard RCA cable for a digital (SPDIF) connection.
 
Hello and welcome to ASR.

Optical only officially supports up to 96/24. Quite a lot of the time with the right transmitter, receiver and cable you can get 192, but it's never guaranteed.
And it depends on the length of the cable. The shorter it is the higher the chance it will work at higher bitrates. IME 15 foot (5 m) is too long for standard (plastic) cables.
 
World's Best Cables has their own web site and there's not even a category for TOSLINK aka optical cables.

So I'm pretty sure @antcollinet is correct and the OP is talking about a coax/RCA cable.
 
World's Best Cables tiene su propio sitio web y ni siquiera existe una categoría para TOSLINK, también conocidos como cables ópticos.

Así que estoy bastante seguro de que @antcollinet es correcto y el OP está hablando de un cable coaxial/RCA.
Tienen razón, yo me equivoqué, es cable coaxial.
 
They are right, I was wrong, it is coaxial cable.
I'm not the expert on this, but coaxial cables have different impedance, even though they have the same connectors / appearance as a standard RCA cable, so if it wasn't specifically sold as digital / coaxial cable then that might explain it.
 
I'm not the expert on this, but coaxial cables have different impedance, even though they have the same connectors / appearance as a standard RCA cable, so if it wasn't specifically sold as digital / coaxial cable then that might explain it.
It is most likely, but then different impedances do not allow the passage of data and could we also assume that they can alter the signal and therefore the sound? I have measured the frequency response of both cables and there are no differences but my mind may be playing against me because I could feel more definition in the high part
 
could we also assume that they can alter the signal and therefore the sound?
Well, yes, but normally in exactly the way you have experienced here... either the signal passes or it doesn't. :)

If you need more reassurance, consider how the digital signal moves through the cable.

One sample of a 16-bit signal looks like this:

1101001010001001

The next sample might be:

1101001010001011

There are 44,100 of these per second moving through the cable. They are represented by high and low voltages moving through the cable, high voltage =1, low voltage =0. I am oversimplifying it since there is a protocol around the raw data which I frankly don't fully understand, but this is the basic idea. @myiot was able to provide better explanation here.

To alter the frequency response of an analog signal, sometimes just a certain value of capacitance in the circuit is enough. But to alter the frequency response of a DIGITAL signal, you need to operate on multiple samples at once, and have a feedback loop that adds/subtracts/multiplies the samples together. This is how digital filters are constructed.

But if there is something wrong with the cable, it will only affect individual 1s and 0s going by. There is not even a way for full samples to be affected in a consistent way, let alone entire groups of samples being mathematically compared to each other.

So if there is digital interference, generally you will only hear an interruption in the whole signal (as you heard here) or random noise. If you randomly "flip bits" in digital signals, the audible result is simply noise. Because of the protocols I mentioned earlier, often there is some protection against noise also. (Consider that your bank transactions or video downloads don't get any "random noise"... ever, and we can see why digital audio is so robust, too. "Bits are bits". )

So don't worry about losing high frequencies or anything like that over a digital cable, that kind of audible effect is essentially impossible.
 
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EDIT for future reference: I was mistaken - @antcollinet corrects my mistake here in post #15 below.

For digital coaxial/RCA, you want a cable labeled as 110 ohm. Regular, analogue RCA cables are 75 ohm.

As you have discovered, regular 75 ohm will usually work over shorter distances, but as the distance gets longer you can run into problems with 75 ohm.

A 110 ohm cable should solve that problem for you.
 
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It is most likely, but then different impedances do not allow the passage of data and could we also assume that they can alter the signal and therefore the sound? I have measured the frequency response of both cables and there are no differences but my mind may be playing against me because I could feel more definition in the high part
You have purchased the wrong cable. The cable you have is an RCA audio cable intended for connecting audio frequency signals up to around 20kHz.

A digital cable needs to be able to transmit much higher frequency data signals, and hence needs to be impedance matched at 75 ohms (The data rate you are trying to use is in excess of 10Mb/s (10 MEGA bits per second), more than 500x wider bandwidth. A cable intended for digital transmission will be specifically marked as 75ohm characteristic impedance.

A standard audio cable might work (but not guaranteed) for shorter lengths and lower data rates, but as you have found it will not work at longer lengths or higher data rates.

Here is an example of a cable specified for spdif digital data.
 
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For digital coaxial/RCA, you want a cable labeled as 110 ohm. Regular, analogue RCA cables are 75 ohm.

As you have discovered, regular 75 ohm will usually work over shorter distances, but as the distance gets longer you can run into problems with 75 ohm.

A 110 ohm cable should solve that problem for you.
It is 75ohm for RCA/unbalanced. 110ohm is for AES3 balanced.


Standard audio cable is not generally impedance matched at all (or at least doesn't need to be). The specific cable he is using is specified as 180ohm.
 
It is most likely, but then different impedances do not allow the passage of data and could we also assume that they can alter the signal and therefore the sound? I have measured the frequency response of both cables and there are no differences but my mind may be playing against me because I could feel more definition in the high part

I thought the cable made no sound?
 
I thought the cable made no sound?
It doesn't (if properly made for the application). You are replying to a fundamental misunderstanding.
 
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