That is hand made. I used to make tools like that. All hand turned and hand knurled.
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No markings at all supports that.
Seriously? You think that makes sense? You think a CNC machine made that in the early part of the last century? Seriously is that what you think?
Alright... more to say... Are you joking?
I see and read all sorts of stuff everyday from people and a lot of it is absurd. Are you joking?
I think you misunderstood.
No markings at all - I can't find any - supports the notion of it being handmade.
You stated, "Adjustable wrench from who knows when. Nice little souvenir inherited from grandpa (*1923)"
Therefore it for sure from the early part of the past century or earlier.
Therefore no CNC machinery at that time means it is hand made.
How can it not be hand made?
Why are you even commenting to me, "No markings at all supports that?"
None of this makes sense.
You are stating a clear English comment to make an argument that dictated that there are "no markings at all supports that" and therefore inflecting and intonating to me that it may not be hand made or is not hand made.
Why?
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The absence of markings supports the statement, that it is hand made - was my understanding of it (as a non-native speaker).
(The fact that it has) no markings at all supports that
"That" = your statement about it being handmade
Is it clear now?
No need to get upset. I'd understand if you had a hard day or anything mate, I know that. Also, misunderstandings, imprecise language, brainfarts, it all happens.
Back to old stuff! Two volumes of prose and poetic Edda translations (Old Norse -> German) from 1914 and 1920 respectively:
Extensive annotations and translation comments, about kennings and cross-references between stories and poems. Of scientific interest, especially in comparison to a modern retelling like the one on the right from 2017. Interesting how little was actually written down back then and how much is lost. The stories and poems are full of references to other stories that got lost in history forever.
And of course it's all a fun read. Utter hilarity and nastyness, those gods and heroes took no prisoners. Loki alone must've been the first battle rapper, in a poem (Lokasenna) he's dissing all the gods like there's no tomorrow. And it rhymes.
Extensive annotations and translation comments, about kennings and cross-references between stories and poems. Of scientific interest, especially in comparison to a modern retelling like the one on the right from 2017. Interesting how little was actually written down back then and how much is lost. The stories and poems are full of references to other stories that got lost in history forever.
And of course it's all a fun read. Utter hilarity and nastyness, those gods and heroes took no prisoners. Loki alone must've been the first battle rapper, in a poem (Lokasenna) he's dissing all the gods like there's no tomorrow. And it rhymes.
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I built that kit, too!I assembled one of these when I was ~14. Everything looked fine, but my lack of proper glue-skills meant the engine never rotated as smoothly as anticipated. I was able to show a neighbor how her car's engine worked, but I don't think she was too impressed with my mechanical/assembly skills.
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I still don't understand you dictating to me that it is not a hand made item due to some sort of perceived markings idea of yours.
Why would you even make that comment and then continue propping up the agenda?
Did you think I would pretend for you that you are correct or that you where actually correct and you would dictate to me?
Now you make this out to be my issue and a hard day for me.
I read your comment exactly as you stated the comment and if I read anybody's comments and misread that comment that it is my issue.
When I read it correctly it is also an issue for you and you make it my issue and I am having a hard day.
This is not my issue and never has been.
If you are going to correct me, dictate that I am wrong then you need to be actually correct.
Dude! I'm not dictating anything, I keep agreeing with your original statement. How often do I have to repeat that? There is no agenda and I'm not propping it up.
It has no markings, yes it must be handmade, that's it.
I have used a Friden calculator before but with no great enthusiasm, and certainly didn't make it a point to remember how it works. But I have (thankfully) never owned one
And I did not include computers for the reason you mention, though I think the Kaypro II I started with (with that Z80 processor) would be obsolete by any standard. A modern Windows/Mac user wouldn't even know where to start with an old text-mode CP/M 80 machine like that.
I also had the printer cradle for the 59, and did write programs for it for money. Sounds like your father and I followed the same trajectory.
I'm not sure most bench techs would agree with you about an 8050, though. I use it as a last resort when all my other voltmeters are unavailable, which, given how many I now have, basically never happens. It was my first bench DMM, then came the Keithleys, then the old HP, and finally an Agilent 34401. Most modern bench DMMs these days are so software-driven that they have graphical interfaces rather than alphanumeric readouts. But I agree that's not enough of a shift to make it obsolete.
I didn't mention the HP8903b distortion analyzer, though I did mention the older 339a analyzer. Nobody would use one of those these days for modern work--they would be using an Audio Precision computer-based system such as what Amir has for measuring distortion (or maybe the more affordable QuantAsylum system).
I still use my HP11C. But as evidence that it is indeed obsolete, I'll repeat a story I've written here before: I was teaching an online class and asked the students to grab their calculators. I ostentatiously raised my slide rule into view as a Dad joke, and got nothing but crickets. I know when to give up on a joke and grabbed my HP, stating that I guess the joke's on me--the slide rule is so obsolete nobody even knew what it was. But they were already laughing at the HP11C--that was their obsolete tech. Their calculators all had graphing functions, or they were using the one on their phone.
But being presently useful doesn't keep it from being obsolete. My 1946 South Bend lathe is presently useful, and lathes of that type and vintage still get used for job-shop pay work often enough. But they are certainly obsolete, and any such in a current machine shop would be in the back corner and probably being mostly used as a catch-all, behind all the CNC turning and milling stations where the real work is getting done.
Rick "doesn't mind obsolescence" Denney
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Prose Edda....Back to old stuff! Two volumes of prose and poetic Edda translations (Old Norse -> German) from 1914 and 1920 respectively:
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Extensive annotations and translation comments, about kennings and cross-references between stories and poems. Of scientific interest, especially in comparison to a modern retelling like the one on the right from 2017. Interesting how little was actually written down back then and how much is lost. The stories and poems are full of references to other stories that got lost in history forever.
And of course it's all a fun read. Utter hilarity and nastyness, those gods and heroes took no prisoners. Loki alone must've been the first battle rapper, in a poem (Lokasenna) he's dissing all the gods like there's no tomorrow. And it rhymes.
This is an incredibly good album if you like electronic psychedelic ambient music...
Doodski, you are missing what he said altogether. He was agreeing with you, and offering the lack of markings as evidence that you were correct. Read the sentence from the other direction.
Rick "ships passing in the night" Denney
Oh, that cover alone is poetic. The world tree in your head, being your brain? Nice idea. Will have to check that album, looks right up my alley. I love Heilung too for example. Thx for the recommendation.
Alright. I went back and started all over again and reread it all 3 times.
I am incorrect and I misread the first comment and then went off on a tangent that was not the proper tangent to take.
My fault.
I have been in the news commentary for many months everyday reading all the garbage, horrible agendas, fiction and lies and competing with these commentary jerks there for space.
My tolerance level is now very low and I have developed a twitchy response mechanism and a overly developed instinctive immediate reaction to it because if I even let any of those agenda shoving people with all sorts of terrible ideological agendas and political terrible agendas have even a fraction of an inch of ground they take total advantage and stomp right over me in their effort to take control of the entire news commentary.
It took 4 weeks to get them to stop chasing me around all day everyday day and night trying to force me out because I make them use facts and no fiction.
It gets very terrible and I am now really very aggressive about it.
It is a issue I have now and I am very intolerant and I read your comment incorrectly.
I am very sorry I did what I did and I was in error and it was all my fault.
It makes me even more aware of what I have become and the reason I have not been in the news commentary for several days now for the sole reason of cooling my jets.
Once again... My bad, my error and I'll do more to dial in my sensitivity levels and make the necessary adjustments.
All good mate, you finally got it.
Seems I severely underestimated the reason for your upset: it's not just a hard day, but hard months apparently!
Take care of yourself, seriously. That shit does sound terrible and would be hard on anyone. It sounds so terrible, I would say you need a way out, quickly.
Adding to the Calculators - this is a rare one, when editing and Film transfer were still done online, in linear fashion, this came in super handy. Sadly I did buy that after I had a tough customer come in, who thought we had ProTools - we did not, and timelines could be shifted with a mouse on a screen. I looked this one up and there were two, used - at the price of around 250.- bucks. I am glad I still have mine.
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