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Should we (I) get into speaker testing & measurement

Should we get into proper speaker measurements?

  • Yes

    Votes: 210 76.1%
  • Yes, but do it later.

    Votes: 28 10.1%
  • No. Stay with Electronics.

    Votes: 38 13.8%

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amirm

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This equipment costs $70k, right?

Apologies if I'm repeating what's been said before, since I haven't yet read all the pages of this thread, but: I wonder how hard it would be to find ~70 members willing to each donate $1k to this cause (plus smaller donations from more people as well). I'd be happy to do so in the context of a crowdfunding-style campaign where I know if it succeeds, my $1k will be put to use to make this happen.

I'm probably being unrealistic though. But with different donation tiers and a broad enough crowdfunding campaign, who knows. The potential of an ASR Speaker Project just makes me very excited, especially when it would yield data like this :)
I very much appreciate the support. :) My original hope was that there would be a few very serious supporters which would put up say, $20K and I would then fund the rest. Alas, most of the votes for support where in $100 to $200 range meaning it would take many such people to make a dent in that.

The people who want to donate large amounts also talked about ownership in company, potentially wanting to set the direction of what gets tested, etc. which is not a direction I like to take. Don't need more bosses in my retirement days. :)

So my plan currently is to see how I can justify purchasing the unit outright myself, and then rely on goodwill of the membership to offset the cost afterward. It may not work of course and I could be in a hole for years. But it is the direction I am leaning on right now. Messages like yours give me hope that this could work.
 

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I very much appreciate the support. :) My original hope was that there would be a few very serious supporters which would put up say, $20K and I would then fund the rest. Alas, most of the votes for support where in $100 to $200 range meaning it would take many such people to make a dent in that.

The people who want to donate large amounts also talked about ownership in company, potentially wanting to set the direction of what gets tested, etc. which is not a direction I like to take. Don't need more bosses in my retirement days. :)

So my plan currently is to see how I can justify purchasing the unit outright myself, and then rely on goodwill of the membership to offset the cost afterward. It may not work of course and I could be in a hole for years. But it is the direction I am leaning on right now. Messages like yours give me hope that this could work.
But how about the idea of having a crowdfunding campaign, as I mentioned? Where the money only gets released to you once a certain threshold is reached? If you get that campaign going for a year or so, I'm very sure the goal could be reached. Such a campaign would also generate lots of interest in the project before starting. Speaking for myself, I would be willing to contribute quite a bit to such a campaign, particularly over a year, where it would be possible to donate smaller amounts several times, which is financially more easy for me. TBH I'm more hesitant to just donate money to the site in general, as I'm frankly not that interested in all the electronics measurements (you know I love you anyway @amirm, it's not you it's me ;) )
 

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But how about the idea of having a crowdfunding campaign, as I mentioned?
I think it will sit there at a few thousand dollars and that would be that. I think people will donate more when they see the results.
 

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Amir,

have you given thought to funding the site by creating an independent testing facility that manufacturers could use to get independently verified test results. I believe that a good report from this site has significant value, particularly to new/lesser known manufacturers. Assuming that the site can retain its reputation for being unbiased and independent, this seems like a win-win.
 

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Amir,

have you given thought to funding the site by creating an independent testing facility that manufacturers could use to get independently verified test results. I believe that a good report from this site has significant value, particularly to new/lesser known manufacturers. Assuming that the site can retain its reputation for being unbiased and independent, this seems like a win-win.
I was kind of open to it but then my wife rightly cautioned me that it would be like have a "job" doing that and so may not be fun. As such it is not on my radar especially considering how heavy and cumbersome these speakers are to unpack, test and return.
 

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I think it will sit there at a few thousand dollars and that would be that. I think people will donate more when they see the results.
Perhaps. My experience in general though (from having been involved in some crowdfunding campaigns for music things like small concert halls, grand pianos etc) is that people are more willing to contribute if they think that their contribution matters for the end result to come about at all. People don't seem to donate nearly as much as post-hoc signs of gratitude, or if they think that they will get access to the good in question (a review for example) even without their donation. We had this latter strategy recently, when we got a grand piano for our local small cultural house, and made the mistake of getting the piano before the downpayments were done, and thought we could rely on people's goodwill... not so. Whereas a previous project I was involved with on a church organ (don't ask) did the opposite, getting all the money beforehand, and it worked really well.

The other positive thing about involving people with donations beforehand is that they get a strong sense of ownership. Imagine having 1000 or 2000 people contribute to this project before it comes to fruition. Unrealistic? Over the course of a year, I actually don't think so. These people would almost by necessity become strongly involved in this site, they would become more frequent contributors and commentators, etc. It's also likely that they would be more willing to contribute financially when you get the speaker reviewing going. The people I know who often do funding campaigns often report this to be the case, at least.

So say that this is the plan: You set a goal of reaching 35000 usd through a crowdfunding campaign, and promise to match that yourself once that threshold is reached (given what you write in the earlier post here - very generous indeed, if so!!). I feel very certain that the people who would donate to that would also be more likely to donate more money afterwards, because they had already become involved, and would then like to see more return on their investment (i.e. more speaker reviews). I'm pretty sure there are names for these mechanisms among economists...
 
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I was kind of open to it but then my wife rightly cautioned me that it would be like have a "job" doing that and so may not be fun. As such it is not on my radar especially considering how heavy and cumbersome these speakers are to unpack, test and return.
As point of interest Amirm, what is the maximum capacity of the table for the Klippel testing device, both in weight and dimensions?
 

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I was kind of open to it but then my wife rightly cautioned me that it would be like have a "job" doing that and so may not be fun. As such it is not on my radar especially considering how heavy and cumbersome these speakers are to unpack, test and return.
I totally understand, but if you are as successful as you need to be, you will be able to hire a few folks to do the heavy lifting and administrative functions for you. Heck, I would imagine a long line of aspiring speaker/electronics builders would be thrilled with an internship.
 

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As point of interest Amirm, what is the maximum capacity of the table for the Klippel testing device, both in weight and dimensions?
There is no practical limit since you can hang a speaker over the platform if it is too heavy or large. In the software, you tell it where the obstructions are (e.g. the cables holding the speaker above the platform). It will then interpolate that data without scanning those sections. I recall reading a 500 kilogram limit although I am not sure why there would be.

There is an option for "high-Z" which I have asked for. Without it I think it has a limit of 3 or 4 feet high as far as the speaker height. With high Z I think it goes up to 6 feet or so. I am told it can be extended beyond that if needed. You need a very high ceiling though to clear the tall structure.
 

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I totally understand, but if you are as successful as you need to be, you will be able to hire a few folks to do the heavy lifting and administrative functions for you. Heck, I would imagine a long line of aspiring speaker/electronics builders would be thrilled with an internship.
That is the ultimate place I hope we get to. There is no reason for me being the bottleneck other than lack of funding. I like to test 10,000+ audio products and the only way to get there is with a much larger operation. Head-fi has managed this (becoming large enough to have staff) so I am hoping we can do the same.

Your suggestion of an intern is a very good one. We would need to move out of my house though to enable that in any proper manner.

All of this will also help cement this activity as a long term one, way past the time I am able to do the work, or be around to do it.

We had another doubling of our viewership in the last couple of months prompted by testing home theater products, amplifiers, etc. If we keep going at this rate, then we should get there. Crossing fingers. :)

FYI, my wife hurt her back helping me back the Outlaw 7140 amp we tested. I have come close to doing that myself multiple times. So getting out of this aspect of the project would be great....
 

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I was kind of open to it but then my wife rightly cautioned me that it would be like have a "job" doing that and so may not be fun. As such it is not on my radar especially considering how heavy and cumbersome these speakers are to unpack, test and return.
Ah she gave you back the advice you often give.
 

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Ah she gave you back the advice you often give.
Worse yet, I have given the same advice to her and she actually listened and closed her business!
 

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Worse yet, I have given the same advice to her and she actually listened and closed her business!
I wish mine would.
I closed my business ten years ago but my wife continues severely limiting holiday opportunities :(
It looks like she will do the same at the end of 2021. Maybe I won't want to go anywhere by then!
 
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FYI, my wife hurt her back helping me back the Outlaw 7140 amp we tested. I have come close to doing that myself multiple times. So getting out of this aspect of the project would be great....
In case you end up having to do this again, shoulder dollies are amazing! My wife and I got 2 130lbs subs up the stairs pretty easily with those (cringing a little as I write that..).
 

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In case you end up having to do this again, shoulder dollies are amazing! My wife and I got 2 130lbs subs up the stairs pretty easily with those (cringing a little as I write that..).
Thanks She got hurt trying to help me put it back in the box. Those seem like a good idea though so I will get a pair.
 
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